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well as far as the alien Bible I don't

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know what you're really talking about

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some of the briefings that I read dealt

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with some of the information about uh

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you know it's being the product of a

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genetic modification right but that's

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about all

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repercussion is a big story all that and

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all that I really have no idea about

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well I meant like

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the day when they were supposed to

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I have no idea it was just a date and uh

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it was it was a number that made no

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sense to me it was a

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601 or 3-0 something obviously in a

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that's it as far as supposedly if that

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but the power generation

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from the development of the anti-matter

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to uh to the gravity a wave and the

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amplification and that process of the

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generation that

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that's a pretty lengthy explanation

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um in other words the relationship

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between the development of the

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anti-matter and the gravitational force

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well it's I can give you I guess a brief

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overview of essentially how that works

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if you want an in-depth

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description of that you can give me your

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address and I can send you a paper on it

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um

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provide electrical power and the base

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gravity wave to amplify and it does that

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by interacting matter and antimatter

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essentially the way it does that is

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injecting an accelerated proton into a

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piece of 115 that spontaneously

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generates

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anti-hydrogen essentially that's reacted

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a small area it's a compressed gas

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probably a compressed atmospheric gas

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and uh you know the antimatter reacting

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with matter produces the energy

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mainly heat energy and that is converted

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into electrical energy by a thermionic

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generator it appeared to be 100

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efficient

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which is you know a difficult concept to

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believe anyway uh also the reactor has

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two functions that's one of them the

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other function is uh it provides the

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basic gravity wave that's Amplified and

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that appears that the upper sphere of

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the amplifier itself and that's tapped

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off with a waveguide similar to

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microwaves and uh is Amplified

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excuse me and focused essentially so how

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is the electrical energy related to the

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applications the gravitational

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the electrical energy is transmitting

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essentially without wires and I related

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it to almost a Tesla setup it seemed

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like each sub component on the craft was

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attuned to the frequency that the

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reactor was operating at so essentially

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the amplifiers themselves receive the

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electrical energy like a Tesla coil

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transmits power to uh you know a furnace

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or two uh

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and uh what was the risk of the question

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what is the relationship between I think

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that's you basically answered it yeah

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that's that's how the amplifiers receive

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the power through the waveguide to

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receive the basic wave it's almost it's

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very very similar to a microwave

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amplifier and uh you know for more

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technical description and I can send you

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drawings or things along those lines but

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that's basically how it works

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I understand you took some one 115 home

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with you to uh do some testing on your

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own I I obtained it yeah

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document any of your testing yeah you

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did

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yeah the video mostly videotape and

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things like that John said it was stolen

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from you later last night he said he

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stole it back he said

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well there's another level to that but

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like I said right now it's in private

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John said last night that a piece a

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wedge that's about two inches in length

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when we run the ship up for 30 years how

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well it really depends on the energy

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level the more energy you expend the uh

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you know greater consumption of fuel

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just like in any any modern machine so

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really really all depends on the amount

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yeah

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I don't know but he was certainly uh

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I forgot what his exact title was he was

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Chief consultant or something along

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those lines

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and as far as any amount of Weaponry I

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don't I don't think anyone was involved

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in that there were certainly some

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beam weapon work and uh you know teller

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has been involved with that uh

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Los Alamos was

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um I think he called it super Excalibur

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and that was essentially a uh nuclear

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bomb detonated in orbit and fiber optic

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light guides that directed x-rays to uh

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incoming warheads and uh that's his pet

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project he loves that thing so I don't

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well I don't know if there were any

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bathrooms on level three I can only

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guess and I would imagine that there was

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some sort of navigational equipment or

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their version of a computer or something

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along those lines because I saw nothing

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else that

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controlled the uh the amplifiers the

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uh I really don't

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I really don't without access to certain

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materials

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that can produce those but until those

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problems are solved you know the fact

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that we even know how to how to deal

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with it or even duplicate it uh

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you know it's pretty useless

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other materials might be necessary uh

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besides 115 as you know of that were

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contained on the shift that might be it

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the might the rest of it might be just

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polishing up manufacturing techniques

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making things smaller you know just

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general increasing technology getting a

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a small accelerator running at a a

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higher energy level uh I don't know

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about the the Metallurgy aspect of the

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craft I don't think any exotic metals

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are necessary though they may be

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employed uh I don't I imagine you could

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make a craft out of aluminum if

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necessary

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but uh what part that plays I I don't

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know

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is there any significance to the saucer

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shape the geometry having to do with any

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resonance or anything of that nature not

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any resonance but it's important most of

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the edges on the craft are rounded

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because a high voltage feel does appear

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at most of the craft except for the

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upper the last upper bump there's a

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little ring before that now I'm only

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talking about one craft so I don't know

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about the rest but there's a small ring

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before that a darker black one and

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that's an insulator ring and that's the

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only place above that that upper section

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the third level is where high voltage

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did any technology that came from the

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aliens resemble anything that we can do

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today

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but we advance to any degree that

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they are

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well there are some basic things uh you

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know the fact that they are using a

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little accelerator a little bit smaller

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and we have things like that if that's

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what you're getting at

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anything really advanced

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uh well as far as controlling gravity

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the way the craft operates

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you know by manipulating gravity that's

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oh I wanted to ask you I'm talking about

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another word

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what you observed in terms of

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the structure the skin of a thickness

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because you know there were reports from

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Roswell and otherwear that there was a

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very thin type of metal to the skin that

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was really undamageable and so on what

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was this Construction

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well I called it metal and uh I really

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can't say that's what it was I called it

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metal because I slid my hand across it

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and it was cold and it was semi-in

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illustrous so did you notice any place

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like where you're on an edge or

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something where it may have been a lot

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thinner than your standard Metals

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it's hard from the outside you can't

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tell when I walk in the way the

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the way the archways are inside

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they're probably about four inches thick

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anyway so you really can't tell how thin

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yes more on this element 115 and your

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contention that it couldn't be made here

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on Earth

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what if we found the right bombardment

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of speed the right target shape or the

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right containment

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well I imagine with enough time you can

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make a small amount of it I mean my

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analogy is look at uh you know look at

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how long it takes to make gold an

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accelerator from bismuth or something

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like that that may just be a technology

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that hasn't Advanced far enough yet

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right but the bottom line is you have to

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sit there and plug in

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protons and neutrons for that matter

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into an existing atom and you have to do

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it you know essentially on an individual

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basis and they're not all going to catch

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on and some are gonna but how did how do

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you think they got their first piece of

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them in a dead star how uh going from I

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think it was naturally occurring

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somewhere on their Planet just because

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it's stable yeah probably some

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that's just a guess on my part but uh

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harnessed quick enough chances are they

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didn't have uh you know when they came

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here our levels of Technology were

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probably fairly new to them they've

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probably never been considered an

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internal combustion engineer for that

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matter you know when it came flying into

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the atmosphere saw a little cigar-shaped

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things with fire coming out the deck

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they probably couldn't conceive of how

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they were powered so it's uh you know it

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just all all depends how you know what

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materials raw materials you have

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but you know that's just an opinion that

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that was a naturally occurring probably

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as of the time that I was there I was

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told that they didn't they really didn't

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take them any great distance at all

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if if we had a working agreement with

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the aliens at one time

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um what did they give us a user's manual

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for these ships why have we had to work

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so hard back engineering I own this line

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I really don't know you know it almost

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seems like there had to have been some

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assistance or some information found but

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but who knows your information didn't

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indicate that now

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yeah uh with such tight security around

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there supposedly only 500 pounds of this

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material how is it somebody can get

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someone out of there

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because some of them not some of the

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material the material is

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that they have there is essentially Raw

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the material is it has to be machined

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into disks these discs have to be

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stacked up and then cut into a cone

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shape and then sliced

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along the long axis of it that work is

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done at Los Alamos

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I don't I'm not exactly sure no Los

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Alamos knows what they're doing

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apparently they think that they're

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developing uh the little coins they're

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working on is some new type of armor and

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having worked at Los Alamos and no

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people around that area that's how I

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did you say anything about project

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Looking Glass and the low shift between

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gravity and time well gravity in time

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are almost essentially the same thing

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and looking glass dealt with using

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gravity essentially to distort time and

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as I said before I really know very

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little about that but you know they're

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only talking talking about milliseconds

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or even less microseconds of uh time

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Distortion they're not like looking back

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in time to see who killed Kennedy or

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the uh the crap that you are you talking

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about the scoutcraft is that the one

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that's like the adansky picture with the

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three domes underneath and if it's not

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I'm not exactly sure what the advanced

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piece is the saucer shape this is this

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is the one that uh

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looks like a my one of the Meyer craft

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did you see

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there are supporters yeah I saw nine

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total but that's the only one I got

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close enough to do you see along with

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the three domes underneath that uh three

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balls underneath that has essential

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housing underneath and the second

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question was

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um did anybody give you an indication as

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to who was driving or any information on

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the man

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I assumed that it was humans that were

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violating the craft uh so it could have

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been remote control but at the one test

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flight that I saw on the ground uh they

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were in radio communication with someone

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and I assumed it was someone in the

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craft

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I mentioned it's possible that it could

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have been a remote Observer somewhere

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but uh

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and I just assumed that the seats were

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retrofitted or they were sitting on the

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are you familiar with a couple of

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aspects of the question are you familiar

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with Howard mangers Electro crab and

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Otis cars saucer design and how are

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those how are their devices

329
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how do they generate their gravity

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fields and compared with what you've

331
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described and lastly can you can you

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speculate how the why the

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commercialization of some of these

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crafts has been possible with so many

335
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because they don't work

336
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are there any GPS encountered by the

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from your interviews you seem to feel

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that the area 51 or the escort test side

339
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was kind of slip shot and how it how it

340
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does its research it really doesn't have

341
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this is there to actually do the

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research correctly and also I wonder if

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I could comment about that and also I'm

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wondering what you could tell us about

345
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the other types of ships you saw there

346
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well the uh as far as the research at S4

347
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that was kind of slip shot uh just

348
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because mainly it was being done from a

349
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military point of view

350
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uh if anything

351
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it was a weapons development program and

352
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they were more concerned about what

353
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duplicating the technology not really

354
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duplicating a technology duplicating the

355
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hardware as opposed to back engineering

356
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the technology to find out you know how

357
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these theories actually work and you

358
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know what's going on with them and

359
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so they really weren't taking the

360
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scientific approach and that was causing

361
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some dissension

362
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um I don't remember the second part of

363
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the question

364
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um just what other types of ships did

365
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you see that might have been alien in

366
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origin

367
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I only saw them and they buried in shape

368
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and I was told they had the same

369
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identical uh Power and propulsion system

370
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and that's the extent of my knowledge on

371
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it

372
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they bought up when they were talking

373
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about the aliens or whatever was it a

374
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positive or A negative type slant on

375
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well they really didn't talk about the

376
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aliens uh

377
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the only time I ever heard anybody

378
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mention anything about an alien someone

379
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and I'm just assuming that someone

380
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called it or called the thing a gourd

381
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and that was that was it I heard it in

382
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the middle of a conversation and they

383
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,040
stopped talking when I got up to them so

384
00:17:32,169 --> 00:17:19,439
that was the thing later

385
00:17:38,810 --> 00:17:35,090
nothing along those lines but uh what I

386
00:17:40,610 --> 00:17:38,820
call the console there were three seats

387
00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:40,620
um here if you look at the bottom level

388
00:17:46,130 --> 00:17:43,140
there's a three amplifiers in a Triad

389
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formation directly above each one is

390
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something I call a console and I think

391
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that's uh a secondary part to the

392
00:17:54,730 --> 00:17:52,440
amplifier and an analogy to that would

393
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be that would be the actual amplifier

394
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and the thing hanging underneath would

395
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kind of be a speaker if you're talking

396
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not that I could find

397
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did it seem like there was any place or

398
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even a need for a life support

399
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um how do they navigate and how do we

400
00:18:25,789 --> 00:18:23,940
converse with them

401
00:18:27,710 --> 00:18:25,799
I have the slightest idea how they

402
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,720
navigate you know like I said I think if

403
00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:29,760
that uh

404
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whatever controls the configuration the

405
00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:33,840
amplifier is the focusing which is

406
00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:36,120
basically their their navigation is

407
00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:38,760
almost probably on the upper level of

408
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The Craft that I didn't get to look out

409
00:18:45,169 --> 00:18:42,600
of and as far as the conversation

410
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:45,179
between them your guess is as good as

411
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,320
mine

412
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it was the local means of propulsion the

413
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:00,470
is essentially them balancing on and out

414
00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:05,039
of phase gravity wave and it's not as

415
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,500
stable as you would think when the craft

416
00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:09,360
took off it

417
00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:17,090
I mean a modern day Hawker Harrier or

418
00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:18,360
something along those lines of vertical

419
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,580
takeoff craft is much more stable than

420
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them in the Omicron configuration which

421
00:19:26,570 --> 00:19:25,260
is that that mode of travel the Delta

422
00:19:29,930 --> 00:19:26,580
configuration is where they use the

423
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three amplifiers and uh

424
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you know that's those are the only two

425
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:33,780
methods I I know about removing the crap

426
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:36,240
can One Pilot as far as you know pilot

427
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:38,520
this crafter does it take three or do

428
00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:39,120
you know

429
00:19:46,140 --> 00:19:42,360
I don't know I wanted it back in the red

430
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[Music]

431
00:19:55,870 --> 00:19:52,990
no it's stable

432
00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:55,880
yeah theoretically elements

433
00:20:01,310 --> 00:19:58,200
rate should reach a stability around

434
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,320
anywhere from 113 to 116 somewhere in

435
00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:02,880
there and apparently that's true and

436
00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:05,220
again they should reach a stability

437
00:20:10,970 --> 00:20:09,780
somewhere up around 220 some odd but uh

438
00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:10,980
you know whether those elements will

439
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:14,460
ever be synthesized or found naturally

440
00:20:18,049 --> 00:20:17,520
yeah it's unusually heavy yeah

441
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[Music]

442
00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:20,059
um

443
00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:27,470
do I think we have bases no uh the

444
00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:30,360
monuments of Mars are

445
00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:31,880
interesting

446
00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:34,980
that's about the most I can say if

447
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:38,340
they're suspicious and uh

448
00:20:41,210 --> 00:20:39,780
yeah I really don't know until there's

449
00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:41,220
more information you know I've seen

450
00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:43,020
pictures of them and things along those

451
00:20:47,930 --> 00:20:45,720
lines but the most recent Mars probe is

452
00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:47,940
taking uh low altitude photographs of

453
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:49,980
those so I guess everyone will know in

454
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,750
indirectly yeah

455
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:04,789
what about your perception of

456
00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:07,500
time and length

457
00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:09,240
width and height

458
00:21:15,370 --> 00:21:11,340
is it the same aboard the craft is off

459
00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:15,380
of it 21 important

460
00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:18,900
why are you ever well as long as you're

461
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:20,940
on the craft everything seems completely

462
00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:22,500
normally your time Flows at a normal

463
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,980
rate and uh if you're off the craft and

464
00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:27,840
you're comparing the time of someone in

465
00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:29,159
the crowd someone off the craft it'll be

466
00:21:31,850 --> 00:21:30,120
a definite difference there anything

467
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,860
where gravity is involved

468
00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:34,080
you know even the shuttle astronauts

469
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,460
they'll come back just because of the

470
00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:36,720
difference in gravity when they come

471
00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:38,280
back they're uh

472
00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:39,900
you know there'll be a slight difference

473
00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,409
did you learn of any other well-known

474
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:47,700
civilian scientists who are involved in

475
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:48,780
this

476
00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:56,520
involved in the gravity work and he's at

477
00:22:01,970 --> 00:21:59,340
Los Alamos and we've had a little bit of

478
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:01,980
contact you named me

479
00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:05,340
I'd rather not just because so far no

480
00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:06,659
one's bothering him and I'm sure he

481
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,390
um

482
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:20,029
only one place yeah

483
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:21,960
no no there's only one

484
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:24,120
one place where the seats faced and it

485
00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:26,100
uh you know there again I said that's

486
00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:28,380
advanced technology but it's not that

487
00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:29,700
advanced because you know we have

488
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:31,080
something along the lines of that Liquid

489
00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:32,580
Crystal that we could

490
00:22:37,370 --> 00:22:34,500
you know make transparent and also use

491
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:37,380
as uh you know a display of sorts so

492
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,720
that's uh but this was metallic and if

493
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:41,280
you haven't anything along the lines of

494
00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:42,179
that

495
00:22:53,820 --> 00:23:07,130
probably about 30 seconds or so

496
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,810
now I've heard stories like that though

497
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:10,080
but

498
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:11,940
I haven't

499
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:17,810
strong of course which you've identify

500
00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:20,220
by gravity a I know there's been some

501
00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:22,860
recent theories actually 11th National

502
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:30,289
does it operate on any principle related

503
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,460
to that yeah my main problem with that

504
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,440
in Stephen Hawking for that matter is

505
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:36,480
that once you start creating other

506
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:37,740
dimensions

507
00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:39,780
it's like an excuse I mean in particle

508
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:41,460
physics they do that too when they can't

509
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:43,140
figure out something they say well you

510
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,520
know we don't have gravity as well as

511
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,799
caused by the uh the graviton yeah they

512
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:49,679
make up particles like that yeah you can

513
00:23:52,430 --> 00:23:51,179
do that with Dimensions too where'd it

514
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:52,440
go I want to do another dimension yeah

515
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,600
it's like an excuse the bottom line is

516
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:56,400
you know as everyone has said every

517
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,720
physicist has said the answer to

518
00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:00,000
everything is always simple and it's

519
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:01,980
there's not an 11 dimensional Universe

520
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,539
it does first of all there doesn't need

521
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:06,299
to be because all this technology works

522
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,419
you know one dimensional essentially a

523
00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:11,520
four-dimensional universe and and uh you

524
00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:14,100
know there's there's no need for it

525
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:16,020
yourself

526
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,610
in a bus

527
00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,890
[Applause]

528
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:36,049
on the east side I've been like

529
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:38,820
across the lake no I've never been over

530
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,810
no

531
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,789
Baba getting back to his question about

532
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:51,600
if there is any difference between being

533
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,400
on the inside of a craft

534
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,679
while it's under power versus being on

535
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:56,640
the outside of a craft of course you

536
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:57,419
wouldn't have experienced that because

537
00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:58,500
you weren't you were never on the craft

538
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:01,260
when it was powered right under power

539
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:04,020
well by the fact that the screen became

540
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,460
transparent and other things were

541
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,200
operational I can assume that it was

542
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:09,679
there was some power generated

543
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:12,059
okay huh

544
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:14,460
Bob um how long were you a part of the

545
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:18,240
S4 project and how key of a person were

546
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:25,250
uh it was probably there are only

547
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:27,779
six months four months something like

548
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:29,400
that it's hard to remember and as far as

549
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:31,080
a key person I'm sure I was the last

550
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,860
rung on the ladder uh

551
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,720
though

552
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:38,159
because no one has really gotten

553
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:40,500
anywhere you know they were looking to

554
00:25:44,029 --> 00:25:42,360
me for fresh ideas which I really didn't

555
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:44,039
have any anything because I didn't know

556
00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:45,299
what you know what really was going on

557
00:25:51,769 --> 00:25:48,179
and where they had been so uh

558
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,779
it was a very disorganized group and

559
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:53,460
that's

560
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:56,520
you know I don't know how else to

561
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,020
describe it it was frustrating in that

562
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:00,799
regard very frustrating

563
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:05,340
elements does it have emission lines I

564
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:07,140
imagine it does every other element does

565
00:26:12,010 --> 00:26:09,299
yeah

566
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:12,020
that well I haven't seen you know any

567
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,299
spectrographical analysis on it or uh

568
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,039
well I actually

569
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,620
they did do I don't know if I if I saw

570
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,360
it though I saw a neutron bombardment

571
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,799
test and density of measurements and

572
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,480
things like that but I I'm sure they

573
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:26,159
carried out that

574
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,779
that test on it but I would be able to

575
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,279
identify the lines no if you're not

576
00:26:33,230 --> 00:26:31,039
aware of the results

577
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:33,240
you know they probably showed them to me

578
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:35,100
but I can't for the life I may remember

579
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:42,830
okay

580
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,720
in possibly in heavier stars or in you

581
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,000
know planets that uh so you know

582
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:50,159
surround the larger star system and uh

583
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,190
some people brought up that you know

584
00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:00,240
that's that's ridiculous because you

585
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,620
know all the elements that we know of

586
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,600
are found on Earth and that's you know

587
00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:05,580
that's not true I think it's uh technium

588
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:07,559
or something along those lines is only

589
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:09,240
is not found on Earth and it's on the

590
00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:16,909
thank you

591
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:35,450
uranium is there and I was wondering if

592
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,659
you know you had anything that would

593
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,460
lead you from what you saw with that

594
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,500
propulsion system to think that aliens

595
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,779
may have come here at one time to do

596
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,159
that

597
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:46,200
I don't know I mean no matter what

598
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:49,020
uranium is certainly a valuable right

599
00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:59,529
I don't know

600
00:28:09,850 --> 00:28:01,669
in fact when you talk about low level

601
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:13,570
the Billy Meyer movies

602
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,789
I don't think I've ever seen any motion

603
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,900
yeah he's got some that fly around three

604
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:23,340
and they've got oh wait I did see that

605
00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:25,140
yeah I did see that I know some other

606
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:26,940
covering ones where they followed you

607
00:28:29,409 --> 00:28:28,380
know I was strange about the Billy Myer

608
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:29,419
photographs

609
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:32,279
the discs that one once he took a

610
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:33,960
picture of looked exactly like the one

611
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,640
that I looked on but

612
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:37,200
you know I'm certain hand an expert in

613
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:38,340
the field but some of those look

614
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:42,240
unbelievably fake and I can't especially

615
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:43,559
the thing went with it flying around the

616
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:45,179
tree I mean boy it looks like it's

617
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:47,100
hanging from a string

618
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,840
you know why would he do that if he had

619
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:50,880
some authentic pictures and uh you know

620
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,620
I don't know I have mixed feelings about

621
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:53,600
that

622
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,580
right how do you feel about our do you

623
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:58,559
have an opinion of this conflict that

624
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,299
allegedly happened between braves and

625
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,460
the Delta Force and what was it 89 or

626
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,980
whatever anything about that I really

627
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:07,020
don't really have an opinion I just you

628
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,400
know repeat it

629
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:10,500
make a really good place

630
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,080
why I don't know

631
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:17,390
yeah apparently there's one but I was

632
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:18,899
involved in the project that dealt with

633
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,810
well it's really not a next video

634
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:25,799
there's the video that I made is being

635
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,260
redone by another company only because

636
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:30,480
they liked it so much and uh they're

637
00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:33,059
just redoing the uh graphics and making

638
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:35,640
a little more Technical and you know I'm

639
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,620
just serving as a technical advisor on

640
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,600
it but uh

641
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,820
for the most part it's 60 to 70 percent

642
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,380
of it's you know the identical thing

643
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,320
they just uh wanted to do it because

644
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:49,440
these particular group of guys uh and um

645
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:50,820
I think companies called dream Quest

646
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:53,580
involved in uh special effects we're

647
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,140
really into the UFO thing and they

648
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,880
wanted to do it with modern day stuff

649
00:30:03,889 --> 00:29:58,919
instead of you know knit stockings and

650
00:30:06,669 --> 00:30:05,520
yeah

651
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,679
[Music]

652
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:09,600
well it's certainly possible you know I

653
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:10,980
don't I don't have any information on

654
00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:13,260
that but just by the EMP generated you

655
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:14,760
know by the systems on the craft that

656
00:30:19,149 --> 00:30:16,980
makes perfect sense to me I was going to

657
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:19,159
ask you what type of weapon do they have

658
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,659
it's some sort of directed energy weapon

659
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:23,460
and I think it's a

660
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:26,340
like a laser beam what's going on

661
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:30,380
a particle probably a neutron

662
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:39,950
there there might be two but I know

663
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:41,399
there's one because obviously I was on

664
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:43,260
one but uh

665
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:45,779
I can't actually remember if anyone

666
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:48,120
if there's any direct mention from their

667
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:52,020
there being a lower level right I really

668
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,880
wasn't allowed to roam freely around the

669
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:55,919
whole place so I don't know

670
00:31:06,210 --> 00:30:58,140
yeah

671
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,310
[Laughter]

672
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:12,059
as far as electronic technology my

673
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:14,279
degree there is from Caltech and physics

674
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:16,380
is from MIT

675
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:19,620
when did you graduate did you go to

676
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:22,620
Pierce College yeah I did okay where did

677
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:23,640
you hear that

678
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:25,980
friend who said something that you know

679
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:27,720
somebody I don't even know I just

680
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,740
thought about something I want to ask

681
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:29,760
because

682
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,039
it's declared yeah I went to pierce and

683
00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,559
Northridge and then uh

684
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:36,539
I'd buy you know I'm terrible at dates I

685
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:38,279
don't remember what date I was at Pier

686
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:40,860
probably like in 76 or something I was

687
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,389
seven or eight

688
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,559
I went to Northridge just for a short

689
00:31:52,669 --> 00:31:51,120
time for some classes on animals at

690
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:52,679
Caltech and then

691
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,610
yeah some critics have suggested that

692
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:00,720
there is not a department of Naval

693
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:03,419
intelligence as shown on your W your IRS

694
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:04,919
record I wonder if you could address

695
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:06,059
that

696
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,440
but the bottom line is if you uh then

697
00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:12,720
I've let other people check into that

698
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,059
Bob Explorer is a guy that managed to

699
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:17,820
trace that down through the IRS and if

700
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:19,740
you write the ZIP code number on the

701
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:23,220
bottom of it or NC Dash 101 or something

702
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:26,520
like that or empty something anyway it

703
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:27,899
gets to

704
00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:31,500
you know as far as if there's a

705
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,899
departmental there I don't know but uh

706
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,880
you know that's that's the W-2 that I

707
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:37,320
got sent so

708
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,240
well that same person was saying though

709
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:41,940
the ZIP code that was on there was

710
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:44,940
someone that was in reserve unused in

711
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:45,980
Washington

712
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:49,919
that was unused yeah well now he had he

713
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:52,440
had a correspondence with someone in the

714
00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:53,279
Navy

715
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,020
through that address I'm not talking

716
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,880
about Bob Exeter I'm talking about Bill

717
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,760
Moore uh Bill Moore I don't I don't know

718
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:01,080
Bill Moore

719
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:04,140
I know he's an enigma himself yeah that

720
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:06,120
was his point I guess he just gets

721
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:07,260
everything I say he said well there's

722
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:08,940
two different types on here and this and

723
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:13,140
I said well you know I don't know so uh

724
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,519
you know that's basically what I get

725
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,279
sent and uh you know I've seen enough

726
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:19,919
information where that zip code works

727
00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:22,380
and that's all the information I have I

728
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:24,419
really have a Pursuit with myself but

729
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,799
maybe clarify for them why you think

730
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:27,360
this is a legitimate document because of

731
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,820
the certain elements that are there are

732
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:31,679
correct well because of the amount of

733
00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:34,919
money right yeah except me and that was

734
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,580
correct uh you know so

735
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:39,679
that's all the information

736
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,019
I have two questions uh they're not

737
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:45,360
related to each other but one is are

738
00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:49,019
they silent or noiseless and uh be who

739
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:51,380
signed your paychecks

740
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,919
as far as are they silent or noiseless

741
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:57,840
there's a slight hiss before they take

742
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:58,679
off

743
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:01,980
to a certain altitude and that sounds

744
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,480
like a high voltage hiss of sorts that's

745
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,679
all the sounds that I've heard I've

746
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:09,119
Heard lots of reports about you know

747
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:12,119
weird Flames author type sounds but you

748
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:14,099
know I've never encountered that

749
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,359
um

750
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:17,040
who signed my paycheck there was a

751
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,780
signature on it but I don't know I'm

752
00:34:22,990 --> 00:34:20,760
gonna lose it was but never even you

753
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:23,000
know it's time to catch the paycheck of

754
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:25,800
I've never even concerned me tracing

755
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:27,419
anything down so there wasn't a company

756
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:29,940
name up in the corner like most

757
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:32,040
paychecks well I worked for the federal

758
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,220
government years ago all you know is a

759
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,960
green treasury check there would be no

760
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,760
other papers with it or anything from

761
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,440
the Department of Treasury

762
00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:42,179
now listen to the Department of Naval

763
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,010
thank you Bob a craft like that comes

764
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:50,879
into our atmosphere would you expect a

765
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,700
loud report that might be well it's

766
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:55,200
totally dependent on the velocity that

767
00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:57,060
it enters

768
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,820
so if uh you're dealing with selling it

769
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,320
manipulates gravity and doesn't have to

770
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,359
slingshot into the Earth uh you know you

771
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:05,460
can come in at a low speed not heat up

772
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,180
not not really

773
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,040
right well yeah if you're traveling it's

774
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:13,380
supersonic then you get a report if

775
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,300
you're not you know you know it's pretty

776
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:17,940
it's very forward

777
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:20,040
uh when you were at a sport to your

778
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,420
knowledge what was the approximate

779
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,520
percentage of Civilian versus military

780
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:26,040
personnel and then what kind of job

781
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,480
category

782
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,700
the civilian Personnel were uh

783
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:31,560
scientific in nature and the military

784
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,520
personnel were only uh security as far

785
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:37,680
as the percentage it was a small

786
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:40,440
percentage of uh scientific to uh

787
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:42,540
military personnel is there any

788
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,300
secretaries there I'm sure there were

789
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,880
offices all over the place but when I

790
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:49,980
came into the facility I was essentially

791
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:51,900
escorted right to where I work

792
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:54,900
and worked there other than a few amount

793
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:56,220
of times that I got to walk into the

794
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:58,619
hangar and under an escort too and when

795
00:36:02,089 --> 00:36:00,180
I left it was the same so like I said

796
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:02,099
there might be offices there might be

797
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,960
bunkers in there there might be

798
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:05,640
underground levels there might be an

799
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,849
excuse me how did you eat

800
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:15,839
the only place I ever ate was at area

801
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:18,060
51. so if there was a cafeteria there I

802
00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,190
I usually came with Dennis Mariani who

803
00:36:31,609 --> 00:36:27,900
was my supervisor now I wasn't on a

804
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:31,619
full-time swing essentially I flew in

805
00:36:35,870 --> 00:36:34,020
usually between three and or between

806
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,880
four and five o'clock at night and left

807
00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:38,880
by 11. so I was only there for a short

808
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:41,579
time each day

809
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:43,560
well before the bus from Groom Lake to

810
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:45,540
Papoose how many people were on that

811
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,599
reporting with you very few more than

812
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,300
one more than yourself as me me and

813
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:54,000
Dennis and usually like are actually not

814
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:55,380
usually occasionally one other person

815
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:57,180
how about Barry

816
00:37:02,450 --> 00:36:59,579
I don't think I was so very on the bus

817
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:03,589
is there a chance that any of the

818
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,960
workers might go back yeah barrywood

819
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:08,579
that's why I spent some time trying to

820
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,140
get a hold of him and there was actually

821
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:12,240
sometime after all this hit the news and

822
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:13,740
the whole thing went down we got a call

823
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:16,440
from Dennis my supervisor and he

824
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:18,300
arranged a meeting at the union Plaza

825
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,320
Hotel

826
00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:21,960
and when we got there I brought three

827
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,260
people with me and

828
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:26,400
I didn't think he said he'd be in the

829
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,500
casino area somewhere and we went I

830
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:30,420
didn't think Gene Huff came with me and

831
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,740
uh

832
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:33,900
we went into the area

833
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:35,820
and walking down the corridor I

834
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:38,099
recognized one of the security personnel

835
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:39,900
from there and then when I finally found

836
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,060
Dennis he didn't even acknowledge my

837
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,200
presence

838
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:45,839
uh who couldn't get his attention and

839
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:48,060
you know I left so apparently either

840
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:49,740
someone had

841
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,960
known of the conversation and send

842
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,579
someone down there and made themselves

843
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,680
obvious to Dennis or something happened

844
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,839
and we left but I think that was uh

845
00:38:02,569 --> 00:37:59,880
where Dennis really wanted to say

846
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:04,670
uh I understand that you use hypnotic

847
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,180
regression to get some of the details of

848
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,460
your experience if so what is your

849
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,839
impression of the amount of progression

850
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:11,760
as a tool

851
00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:14,339
it's probably reasonable because uh

852
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:16,520
there are specifics

853
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,260
they contend that you can sit there and

854
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,320
reread a document as if you had you know

855
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:23,520
as if you were there reading it for the

856
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,619
first time and what I was mainly

857
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:27,119
interested was in some of the schematics

858
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:29,940
and drawings and uh

859
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,339
you know I did some of the hypnosis

860
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:34,800
stuff with Lane Keck I have no therapist

861
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:37,740
in town and I was certainly able to

862
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:39,020
redraw

863
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:42,119
a lot of the schematics and you know

864
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:43,560
engineering drawings along those lines

865
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,020
and it's uh

866
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,720
so as far as using is a tool for that

867
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:50,640
that seems to work

868
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:53,700
for anything else

869
00:38:59,089 --> 00:38:56,700
I have two two things uh one's in common

870
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,099
the other one's a question uh first of

871
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:01,920
all um when I was 12 years old I I saw a

872
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,099
daylight flying disc which looked

873
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:07,380
exactly like one of Billy Meyer's

874
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:10,440
photographs 15 years later

875
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:14,099
and uh and this what do you mean earlier

876
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:17,099
no uh earlier 15 years earlier I saw

877
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:18,660
this disc and

878
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,900
Billy Meyer took a photo in 1975 with

879
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:24,720
the same exactly the same disc that I

880
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,540
saw you know down to the Last Detail it

881
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,359
was the same and then you said that the

882
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:32,880
sport model looked a lot like the same

883
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:39,170
interview with Georgetown and uh

884
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:40,680
I thought that was really interesting

885
00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:42,060
because it kind of tied it all together

886
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,320
for me

887
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,780
and then uh just I just wanted to make

888
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,180
that comment and then the question I had

889
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:49,920
was uh what was the year of your

890
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:52,740
graduation from MIT and did you have a

891
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:55,470
PhD no it's a master's degree

892
00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:01,609
a year what was the year of graduation

893
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:07,430
82 because I think I left there

894
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:09,300
went to Los Alamos and went to Los

895
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:11,220
Alamos

896
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:22,550
what mind control would happen someone

897
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:25,079
made the comment that uh that you might

898
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,180
have been uh some sort of mind control

899
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:30,720
or that came about I uh when I was first

900
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:33,660
brought there they had a doctor or a

901
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:36,540
nurse actually in uh political medical

902
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,579
set up there and

903
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,560
right after I had signed all over these

904
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:42,480
papers and my first time out there I

905
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,300
went in and they did what I perceived to

906
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:47,460
be an allergen test because I put a grid

907
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,339
on my arm and different uh you know

908
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:52,800
particularly different chemicals and uh

909
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,260
you know it was their convention that my

910
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,640
blood there's a lot of strange elements

911
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:58,680
here and unusual things you'd be working

912
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,119
on so they're trying to see if you're

913
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:01,920
gonna have any adverse reaction to them

914
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:04,859
and uh I was given something to drink I

915
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:08,579
I said it smelled like Pine uh which it

916
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,099
did that's the best way I can describe

917
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,440
it and a lot of people jumped on that

918
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:15,180
saying aha well that's the Mind Control

919
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:16,500
substance when you leave work you're

920
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,520
going to forget everything when you come

921
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,720
back you didn't remember everything but

922
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,400
you know I think if anything it was an

923
00:41:27,010 --> 00:41:22,079
anti-allergen drug or something along

924
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:31,190
plenty of threats

925
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,170
like lots of pension or what kind of

926
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,880
stuff well lots of passion and uh you

927
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:37,500
know jail time that was part of signing

928
00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:39,060
the paperwork as far as bodily harm

929
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:41,460
after they caught

930
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:43,320
uh us the time I brought out John Lear

931
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:44,820
and a couple other people up there then

932
00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:47,160
they threatened me and they really

933
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:48,540
didn't get much reaction out of that

934
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:50,040
then they threatened my life at the time

935
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,599
and uh

936
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,760
that

937
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,500
they really threw out of everything they

938
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,839
could without physically you know

939
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:59,520
attacking well that's what I was

940
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,780
wondering and once they know it was

941
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,599
Billy you and not Dennis or someone else

942
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:05,400
or anything why didn't they just arrest

943
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,560
you under charges of you know violating

944
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:09,599
the ACT well they can't arrest me

945
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,460
because they'd have to admit you know

946
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:13,200
that this is classified material you're

947
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,460
talking about yeah they'd have to

948
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:16,440
release it you know why didn't they you

949
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,160
know kill me uh you know that I really

950
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,140
don't know so maybe that had to do with

951
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:24,660
how I got the job or

952
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:27,300
you know referencing the connection

953
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:29,160
there teller something along those lines

954
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:30,119
but

955
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:32,700
yeah I don't know were there any

956
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:35,700
contractor names departments divisions

957
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,520
that were mentioned or signs yeah

958
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,260
referring to any companies or anything

959
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:42,720
like that no but I know EG and G had

960
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,240
nothing to do with it that's the only

961
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:47,820
light I can on that because uh I

962
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,619
had mentioned that to him once because

963
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,880
that's where I was interviewed at EG

964
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:54,000
building and uh I thought that it was

965
00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:56,040
part of an easy and G project and I

966
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:58,859
think it was Dennis who said that uh you

967
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,359
know we don't let those people you know

968
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,700
anywhere near this place or any you know

969
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,140
they were just uh

970
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:07,020
a sore thumb to them

971
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,720
well as a as one way of getting this

972
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:11,520
information out at the same time now the

973
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:12,900
government stop harassing you did you

974
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:16,319
ever consider bringing them to court

975
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:17,240
um

976
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:20,220
your family harassing you and as a

977
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:22,260
result of that forcing them to with

978
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,700
whatever evidence would I do that I mean

979
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:26,160
it's hard enough to prove it to uh you

980
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:27,780
know the layman in general but taking it

981
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:31,140
to court it's impossible and there's uh

982
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:33,060
so yeah there's plenty of people that

983
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,680
don't believe me anyway so you never put

984
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:36,240
out legal counsel with regard to any of

985
00:43:41,569 --> 00:43:38,700
this well a little but yeah initially

986
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,579
and uh you know the bottom line is you

987
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,780
know the attorney said there is actually

988
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:44,400
nothing to go on it's a total waste of

989
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,140
time and you know if anything it's going

990
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:48,960
to be a public forum uh to discredit me

991
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:51,540
in in some manner so uh you know I even

992
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:53,160
go through with it what about class

993
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,220
action ACLU

994
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:58,020
but still you need you know some sort of

995
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,359
evidence that uh this happened if I

996
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:02,160
pulled out a piece of 115 and said here

997
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,359
well what does that have to do with

998
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:04,800
anything you know

999
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,319
there's nothing that uh

1000
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:09,599
and what did they do to violate my

1001
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:10,980
rights but I didn't agree to at the

1002
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:12,900
beginning so they really had their bases

1003
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,339
covered it's pretty dirty what they did

1004
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:16,560
to you in Las Vegas there in 1990 in the

1005
00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:24,730
well yeah that was that was my own fault

1006
00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:27,140
so you've been through your counseling

1007
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:30,359
by saying that right

1008
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:33,060
how would um someone get a piece of

1009
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:34,859
paper explain the physical properties

1010
00:44:38,170 --> 00:44:37,140
used in these in this load of

1011
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,180
Transportation

1012
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,040
the physical properties you mean I mean

1013
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:43,920
the formula is used in the gravity

1014
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:55,069
there's been nothing for probably these

1015
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,579
four years or three years whatever it's

1016
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,680
been but uh

1017
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,420
the other day

1018
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:02,280
one of my phone lines has not been

1019
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,020
working and the other one was breaking

1020
00:45:08,089 --> 00:45:06,480
up so I called sentel down and uh

1021
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:08,099
they checked the house out that there's

1022
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:09,300
nothing in the wiring here and they

1023
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,680
called me down from Charleston Boulevard

1024
00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:13,079
from the from the telephone pole and

1025
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,619
they said my individual line was cut and

1026
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,780
then the other one the other wires were

1027
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,000
stripped and twist tied together so of

1028
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:22,800
course me being paranoid thinks well

1029
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,119
someone tapped in there but I really

1030
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,520
can't think of other excuses me being uh

1031
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,800
you know just my single Lions being

1032
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,900
played with but uh that's what he said

1033
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:32,640
and you know they filed a report on that

1034
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:33,660
so that's

1035
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:36,420
one form attack invitation uh you say

1036
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:39,240
your records at Caltech and MIT are

1037
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,060
somehow disappeared in Los Alamos and

1038
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:43,440
probably everywhere else is there any

1039
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,440
way you could You Could reconstruct your

1040
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,300
coursework and your professors oh sure

1041
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,920
I've got people that

1042
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,720
um you know that I went to school with

1043
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,880
and Georgia spoke George Napa spoken to

1044
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:55,380
some of them and you know even flew with

1045
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,000
me up to Los Alamos and spoke to my

1046
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:58,800
colleagues there and uh you know it's

1047
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,140
just could you could you reveal some of

1048
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,200
your professors at MIT and Caltech

1049
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,000
yeah if you want

1050
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:08,220
I don't have a list of them here Dr

1051
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:12,319
duxler I think was one of them and uh

1052
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,480
post field was another host field

1053
00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:20,160
hlhsf idld or something along those

1054
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:22,500
lines but they remember you oh yeah I

1055
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:24,900
always feel I know well these are MIT or

1056
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:37,849
very

1057
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:40,980
is a guy I worked with a essentially

1058
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,700
worked on the buddy system there and uh

1059
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:46,980
so when you have ideas to bounce bounce

1060
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:50,700
off of and Barry Castillo or Castile did

1061
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:52,740
you see there before you or yeah a long

1062
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,300
time

1063
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:56,579
or it's probably still there

1064
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,920
you get any information from him

1065
00:47:10,690 --> 00:47:01,260
well he essentially taught me everything

1066
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,150
no they did mention though that this was

1067
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,140
the place that all of this stuff was

1068
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,780
brought to and it was really purposely

1069
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:20,160
condensed here to keep an eye on

1070
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,720
everything and have uh you know

1071
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,339
immediate access to everything that

1072
00:47:27,130 --> 00:47:24,960
dealt with this uh you know the alien

1073
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:27,140
technology

1074
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:29,940
regarding the craft of the alien craft

1075
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:32,460
were is there any test Personnel that

1076
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:35,160
crashed them and if so do you know about

1077
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:37,859
what the cause is for I didn't read

1078
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:41,579
about any crashes during tests at all

1079
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:42,900
like you'd think that there would be

1080
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,980
some but uh

1081
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:48,119
when you were at Caltech are you

1082
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:49,560
affiliated with any of the student

1083
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:55,550
all right

1084
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:58,800
um when I first heard of S4 it reminded

1085
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:00,900
me a lot of disc testing that I've heard

1086
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:04,319
of that goes on in Australia at Pine Gap

1087
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:05,940
and I was wondering if you know anything

1088
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:07,619
about Pine Gap did you read anything

1089
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,660
about time deaths that you could tell us

1090
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:11,640
about I really don't keep a breath till

1091
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:14,460
the UFO information as far as officially

1092
00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:15,780
I never read anything I've heard the

1093
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:18,020
name Pine Gap mentioned but

1094
00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:21,480
I haven't heard anything about that

1095
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:23,339
anybody ever approached you with a

1096
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:26,960
screenplay off it oh God yeah

1097
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,780
constantly do you ever consider it uh

1098
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,180
yeah the main problem Columbia Pictures

1099
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,880
last year really wanted to do it and uh

1100
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:38,280
they said we're making a screenplay and

1101
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:41,460
and my only problem is is that uh if you

1102
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,780
guys are going to make a movie it has to

1103
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,280
be exactly what happened and not the

1104
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:45,839
Hollywood version I don't see Steven

1105
00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:54,170
[Applause]

1106
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:58,430
but

1107
00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:59,089
um

1108
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:02,099
speculation why they recruited someone

1109
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,099
with a master specific PhD no that's

1110
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:07,500
that's a really good question I've

1111
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:09,540
always said there's plenty more people

1112
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:12,300
qualified than I am and uh if there's

1113
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:13,980
any rate there's only two reasons they

1114
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,520
could have is either number one uh was

1115
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,740
that Dr Teller essentially Juiced me

1116
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:21,420
into the position that said you know

1117
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,099
there's a guy bubbles I know him find a

1118
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,640
place for him or that the fact that I

1119
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:27,839
have traditionally approached everything

1120
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:31,380
from a very strange angle and uh you

1121
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:33,000
know essentially off the beaten path and

1122
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,560
you know tackling you know technical

1123
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,480
problems so it's only one of those two

1124
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:38,640
reasons and plus is the third one that I

1125
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:41,220
have no idea about two things do you

1126
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:42,240
think they'll ever release this

1127
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,280
information and if they don't how do you

1128
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,319
think it'll ever come out besides people

1129
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:48,359
like you know or it will be something

1130
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:50,220
like what you're doing

1131
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,960
oh hopefully it's not this way hopefully

1132
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:53,760
there's going to be a release of

1133
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:56,700
information eventually but uh

1134
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,140
you know whether or not they're going to

1135
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:00,960
say uh you know hey we've been keeping

1136
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,540
the secret for so long it almost seems

1137
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:05,040
to me that they need a staged incident

1138
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:08,040
to get him off the hook take a flying

1139
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:10,020
saucer up in a C-130 and push it out the

1140
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:11,710
back and say hello to the trash

1141
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:19,870
[Music]

1142
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:22,800
they don't apply once you've distorted

1143
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:24,900
distorting gravity essentially having a

1144
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,520
gravity amplifier distorts time and

1145
00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:28,619
space and that those really don't apply

1146
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,020
there's no interaction

1147
00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:32,520
so there would be no effect on humans

1148
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,619
either no there's no effect inside at

1149
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,170
Bob didger uh when you were working on

1150
00:50:44,050 --> 00:50:41,819
the S4 project did your education and

1151
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,060
whatever scientific Vision that you have

1152
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:46,920
permit you to believe that at some point

1153
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:48,180
you'd be able to make a meaningful

1154
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,280
contribution to the program and and if

1155
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:52,559
so after how much time

1156
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:55,079
uh I was always in serious doubt whether

1157
00:50:58,569 --> 00:50:56,339
or not they were going to get rid of me

1158
00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:58,579
because I had

1159
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,020
there really really wasn't anything that

1160
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:03,359
I could contribute I wasn't an expert in

1161
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:05,640
any particular field that they were

1162
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:06,660
dealing with

1163
00:51:11,410 --> 00:51:08,040
so

1164
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,420
far as

1165
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:13,200
determining what element they were

1166
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:15,059
dealing with was but that was

1167
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:16,920
significant right

1168
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:18,119
yeah

1169
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,470
um did you come from a pretty uh

1170
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,819
your was your your education pretty

1171
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,440
traditionally grounded as far as your

1172
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,559
own views as far as physics and West is

1173
00:51:44,809 --> 00:51:42,540
common knowledge as opposed to the

1174
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:44,819
actual things and in other words how

1175
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:46,260
surprised were you when they started

1176
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:48,420
showing you all this hardware and these

1177
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:51,420
Concepts that could do things that was

1178
00:51:56,890 --> 00:51:53,960
really oh very I was

1179
00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:56,900
like

1180
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:58,740
even when I was reading the

1181
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,160
documentation you know the alien

1182
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:04,319
the alien question really never entered

1183
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:06,780
my mind I kept pushing it off to you

1184
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:07,980
know all this group of scientists

1185
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:11,400
secretly came up with I never and I I

1186
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:12,900
just had a mental block against that

1187
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:14,339
because I always thought flying saucers

1188
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,960
were totally ridiculous and the people

1189
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:18,720
that uh really paid attention to such

1190
00:52:24,849 --> 00:52:21,180
phenomena were were just out in left

1191
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:24,859
field you know they belong thanks Bob

1192
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:27,420
really made very little sense to me that

1193
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:30,660
that you know anyone would deal with

1194
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:32,760
something like that so I really held out

1195
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:35,700
to the very end and uh yeah they finally

1196
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:40,849
wow that escort

1197
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:44,520
did you ever hear any Air Force or

1198
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,329
yeah I probably did

1199
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:56,400
but I can't remember I do remember

1200
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,020
someone talking about something along

1201
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:00,359
those lines

1202
00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:02,760
uh I I don't think they were pilots but

1203
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:04,980
they were someone

1204
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:07,079
related to the Air Force I don't

1205
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,000
remember who or they were talking about

1206
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:11,339
the Air Force and I think they mentioned

1207
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,500
a squadron and I don't know if that was

1208
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:16,319
what they called the group that flew the

1209
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,180
craft or it was someone else you know a

1210
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:20,400
groom Lake

1211
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:27,710
no it really wasn't much you know idle

1212
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:30,380
banter going on

1213
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,520
as far as like the gravitational field

1214
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,079
with these crafts and so forth if you

1215
00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:37,020
were to amplify it enough because you

1216
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:39,480
um enlarge the area that you want to

1217
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:41,579
take in other words could you move more

1218
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,140
than just the craft itself say two

1219
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:45,599
crafts under the same power source and

1220
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,640
so forth

1221
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,160
or even you know even ever consider

1222
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:52,140
something like that as

1223
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:54,119
feasible

1224
00:54:00,829 --> 00:53:56,280
like a tractor band

1225
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:02,569
essentially in the field that was being

1226
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,200
omitted

1227
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:06,359
um I don't see I really don't know what

1228
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,500
uh

1229
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:09,599
you know how the level of energy relates

1230
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,180
to the amount of mass that can be bent

1231
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:14,339
that way or how the amount of space they

1232
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:15,140
can

1233
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,720
those numbers I really don't have so

1234
00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:20,400
it's just again so you think it'd be

1235
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:25,609
probably

1236
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:31,190
I really don't know that uh anything

1237
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,180
that I assume was control systems or

1238
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:35,520
instrumentation was up up above and I

1239
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,780
think that's where the navigation

1240
00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:38,880
computation took place and

1241
00:54:45,290 --> 00:54:41,099
uh you know I dealt with only the strict

1242
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:48,230
when you were at S4 was there ever

1243
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:51,000
either a period within a day or even a

1244
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:54,180
couple of days where you at this point

1245
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:55,980
don't remember what you were doing

1246
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:58,680
during that time was there ever a period

1247
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,540
of time

1248
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:02,700
yeah I kind of I said that and again

1249
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:05,339
that's been taken and bent a lot of

1250
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,900
different ways too there were times that

1251
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,660
I left and it's because so much stuff I

1252
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,460
was exposed to

1253
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:13,200
I was essentially drowned in information

1254
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,960
and when I got back home I couldn't I

1255
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:17,040
really couldn't remember what day

1256
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:20,040
anything happened uh you know did I

1257
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:22,920
forget big chunks of knowledge no I just

1258
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:31,790
second you probably don't want to get

1259
00:55:35,089 --> 00:55:33,180
into this but I really appreciate if you

1260
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:35,099
would when you were walking either by

1261
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:38,280
the hallway or down by the door yeah

1262
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:40,020
with the window in it and you look

1263
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:41,579
through will you go into that and

1264
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:44,220
describe what you did see I mean even if

1265
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:46,500
you're not sure it's safe just say

1266
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:48,300
that's exactly as it was well this has

1267
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,980
to be taken in the right context too

1268
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:52,559
first of all being surrounded by the

1269
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,599
you know flying saucers knowing that the

1270
00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:56,280
alien thing exists and all this

1271
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,200
technology uh you know when I was

1272
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:00,839
walking down a hall to the uh I don't

1273
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,300
remember I was going anymore but uh

1274
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,760
different doors for the hangers or small

1275
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:08,160
nine inch square windows with wire mesh

1276
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:09,900
running through them and I I looked in

1277
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,300
one as I I walked by and was still told

1278
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:14,819
to keep my head forward and uh

1279
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:16,800
I saw the backs of two guys and they

1280
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:19,140
were talking to a child or I thought it

1281
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,780
was a small child and you know of course

1282
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:24,000
I told that to John Larry said that was

1283
00:56:29,089 --> 00:56:27,480
an alien and uh I don't know what it was

1284
00:56:31,069 --> 00:56:29,099
I don't know if it was a small guy but

1285
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:31,079
it just looked weird it was a glance so

1286
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:32,760
you know do I think it was an alien

1287
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:37,200
though did you see the quote small guy

1288
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:43,490
I saw the small town it's called a small

1289
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:45,480
guy that they were talking to yeah what

1290
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:48,300
did it but I it was just it was just a

1291
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:50,040
glance I have no idea that's why I said

1292
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:51,900
but believe me if it had a rounded head

1293
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:53,579
and big eyes I'd say hey there's an

1294
00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:55,859
alien there but yeah I can't say that

1295
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,920
but it wasn't small

1296
00:57:02,450 --> 00:57:00,960
ER yeah see I don't think anyone could

1297
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:02,460
bring their kids down there so I don't

1298
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,220
know for that matter they could have

1299
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:06,559
been holding up

1300
00:57:11,569 --> 00:57:08,940
a crowd that has done a lot of personal

1301
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:11,579
experience right but also look at it

1302
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:13,260
from a technical Viewpoint that it could

1303
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:15,480
be a Model A life-size model and they

1304
00:57:18,829 --> 00:57:17,160
were trying to see how how the size

1305
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,839
relationship works in the seats and

1306
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:20,160
other parts of the craft and you know

1307
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:21,300
what's accessible so it doesn't

1308
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,040
necessarily mean that it's a living

1309
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:28,200
do you mind speaking at all about how

1310
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:30,300
this body of knowledge has affected you

1311
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:33,720
emotionally or maybe spiritually are you

1312
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,480
frightened by the implications of what

1313
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:39,599
all this means or no

1314
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,300
um you've no doubt thought about the the

1315
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:44,520
overall agenda

1316
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:46,740
especially that I'm sure you know yeah

1317
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,920
but it's difficult to really uh

1318
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:51,839
you know put a finger on it

1319
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:53,819
says there's so little evidence to go

1320
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:57,420
and and really 99 of the stuff that I

1321
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:58,980
hear

1322
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:01,500
I really don't even come close to

1323
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:02,760
believing at all and it's not just

1324
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:04,200
because I'm skeptical it's because it's

1325
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,260
absolutely ridiculous uh you know I even

1326
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:08,880
though it's stepping on a lot of

1327
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,180
people's toes you know I I think 99 of

1328
00:58:16,609 --> 00:58:13,680
the sightings out here

1329
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,619
are absolutely not flying saucers most

1330
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:19,140
people are watching 737s coming to uh

1331
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,700
Groom Lake and they make turn up there

1332
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,559
and there's lights on the planes and uh

1333
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,440
that I mean along the other same lines

1334
00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:27,359
there's uh

1335
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,220
these parachuted flares that they fire

1336
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:31,440
off near the Athens Lake area and

1337
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:33,000
they're in orange color which is pretty

1338
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:34,859
coincidental and they're on essentially

1339
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,660
a modified small hot air balloon so the

1340
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:38,640
burning heat of the flare keeps it

1341
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:41,160
afloat longer and uh whether they're

1342
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:42,540
doing that for disinformation or

1343
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:45,420
practicing how missiles lock onto you

1344
00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:46,920
know heat seeking targets you know I

1345
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:49,500
don't know but I think 99 of that stuff

1346
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:51,900
is what you know people

1347
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:55,740
this area it seems as if even knowing

1348
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,020
that we possess alien technology hasn't

1349
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:00,720
even made you a believer

1350
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:04,200
that's probably true but it has I mean I

1351
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:05,460
believe the stuff that I work on there's

1352
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,540
absolutely no question in my mind but uh

1353
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:11,760
I think everyone can only go so far and

1354
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:14,640
I can't I just hate to speculate because

1355
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:16,680
I hate to be wrong I don't want to say

1356
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:18,660
well you know this they had to be given

1357
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:20,220
to us because you know we didn't shoot

1358
00:59:24,589 --> 00:59:22,859
them down and you know it's so I I just

1359
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:24,599
stop right there we forget sometimes

1360
00:59:29,089 --> 00:59:27,780
you're a scientist maybe so I I just I

1361
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,099
stopped with what I'm I'm pretty sure

1362
00:59:36,609 --> 00:59:31,380
with him and that's it what is your

1363
00:59:40,609 --> 00:59:39,049
well I can't like I said I stopped

1364
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:40,619
before that you know I have lots of

1365
00:59:45,049 --> 00:59:43,020
possible ideas in my mind but based only

1366
00:59:46,849 --> 00:59:45,059
on what your experience was only on what

1367
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:46,859
you saw what is your synopsis my

1368
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:49,740
synopsis of what I know to be true that

1369
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,160
the government is holding uh nine alien

1370
00:59:58,270 --> 00:59:55,920
spacecraft uh

1371
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:58,280
that are repelled by

1372
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,980
a modified gravity generator

1373
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:03,480
um

1374
01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:05,700
it's being the work is being conducted

1375
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:08,099
15 miles south of Green Lake

1376
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:10,859
at that isolated area only designated as

1377
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,619
S4 that at least one of those crafts

1378
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,880
operate

1379
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:16,440
and

1380
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:19,799
that's about it okay thank you Bob did

1381
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:26,569
no not at all

1382
01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:28,140
did you ever see the word S4 written

1383
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:29,099
anywhere

1384
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:34,970
that's a good question

1385
01:00:43,329 --> 01:00:40,970
the question is did he ever see S4

1386
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:43,339
written anywhere

1387
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:46,500
on your badge

1388
01:00:50,589 --> 01:00:49,020
yeah the S4 was punched out on the back

1389
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:50,599
touchdowns

1390
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:54,960
I was thinking it was a sign and I think

1391
01:00:58,970 --> 01:00:57,180
because it's hard to see I think near

1392
01:01:01,069 --> 01:00:58,980
when you approach the papoose mountain

1393
01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:01,079
range that there is a sign that

1394
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:04,920
designates it as S4 but if I I I'm

1395
01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:06,180
pretty sure I saw a sign there because I

1396
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,619
can only see out the front window when

1397
01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:10,079
I'm going through there and I'm not I'm

1398
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,819
really not sure what it what it said but

1399
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:13,920
it since most other science designated

1400
01:01:17,569 --> 01:01:15,960
it's an area or Tech area or something

1401
01:01:19,309 --> 01:01:17,579
along those lines that might have been

1402
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,319
S4 if that's because that's what you're

1403
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:20,640
referring to so you just heard it orally

1404
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:23,960
S4 orally that's how you

1405
01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:26,220
yeah and as someone else mentioned on

1406
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:28,380
the badge it was star punched out there

1407
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:30,420
but as far as an actual sign to the area

1408
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:32,040
uh

1409
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:34,020
I didn't see it in any other writing so

1410
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:35,160
did you ever see it on the vaginal since

1411
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,900
it was punched out you wouldn't see it

1412
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:39,359
well that's it it really says it

1413
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:41,460
directly above it I mean the star punch

1414
01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:51,109
because Bill Moore's making a big thing

1415
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:52,740
I said how is how do you write it he's

1416
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:54,299
trying to George now trying to debunk

1417
01:01:57,789 --> 01:01:55,980
the whole thing how do you write S4 you

1418
01:02:00,370 --> 01:01:57,799
know

1419
01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:00,380
does that make a difference right right

1420
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,000
that's what you call picking this yeah

1421
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,799
yeah well I know there's a lot of people

1422
01:02:08,530 --> 01:02:06,480
that don't believe the story you know

1423
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:08,540
all together but uh you know I

1424
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:10,920
it's uh

1425
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:13,200
it's it's difficult but it you know it's

1426
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:14,700
really a limit to what you know what

1427
01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:18,000
else could I possibly do uh you know to

1428
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:19,940
show people what happened other than uh

1429
01:02:23,089 --> 01:02:21,720
you know relaying some of the

1430
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:23,099
information into things along those

1431
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:25,140
lines but

1432
01:02:30,289 --> 01:02:27,960
um what kind of work are you doing now a

1433
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:30,299
variety of things I mean everything from

1434
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:32,940
uh I have three separate companies one

1435
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,260
is uh

1436
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:36,960
deals with commercial photo processing

1437
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,720
the other one is uh developing and

1438
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:42,240
repairing Alpha radiation detectors for

1439
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:44,220
radiation off of

1440
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:46,140
plutonium which unfortunately that's

1441
01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:47,220
going down the tubes because they

1442
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:50,339
stopped the testing out here and uh I do

1443
01:02:56,890 --> 01:02:53,880
computer Graphics a lot of that and uh

1444
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:56,900
actually music videos believe it or not

1445
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,160
are you still building and racing jet

1446
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,640
cars well I don't I don't do it for

1447
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:04,079
money anymore and then I just take the

1448
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:07,380
jet car out and run it around but I kind

1449
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,540
of got scared when most I when I

1450
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:11,280
originally started raising jet cars or

1451
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:12,680
uh

1452
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,140
like 25 people or something along those

1453
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:19,200
lines that were licensed to drive uh and

1454
01:03:23,569 --> 01:03:22,020
uh now they're flight seven and the guy

1455
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:23,579
when I stopped racing the guy that

1456
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,380
trained me the crash so you know

1457
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:27,480
whatever else is dead so I don't raise

1458
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,180
anyone I still have the Lamborghini

1459
01:03:33,289 --> 01:03:31,920
the body's sitting in the backyard the

1460
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,299
car I take out once and every couple

1461
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,240
weeks to the dry lake around

1462
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,640
any questions do you have any idea how

1463
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:41,099
they achieved that proton source of

1464
01:03:46,849 --> 01:03:44,220
steady stream is such a small reaction

1465
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:46,859
it could be a radioactive element I mean

1466
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:49,020
you could use

1467
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,980
well a proton Source could certainly be

1468
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:54,960
they could be using alpha particles for

1469
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:56,339
that matter which is essentially a

1470
01:04:00,410 --> 01:03:57,780
helium nuclei

1471
01:04:01,490 --> 01:04:00,420
and there's lots of elements that can do

1472
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:01,500
that

1473
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:05,640
the other part is in the video we saw

1474
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,119
the badge having the letters and capital

1475
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:11,359
letters Maj

1476
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:13,980
turnovers that actually on your badge

1477
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:16,859
yeah that was really on there and uh I

1478
01:04:21,049 --> 01:04:18,420
was told Majestic was the level of

1479
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:21,059
clearance that that was cleared for that

1480
01:04:26,450 --> 01:04:22,920
also that makes you know you wonder

1481
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:26,460
about you know Bill Moore's thing at the

1482
01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:29,579
mj-12 documents and all that all right

1483
01:04:35,569 --> 01:04:32,760
is that you know actual or uh

1484
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,579
considering that these guys have made

1485
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:37,200
posters that they're here and things

1486
01:04:42,289 --> 01:04:40,140
like that they could have taken Majestic

1487
01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:42,299
and made it the name of it just as kind

1488
01:04:47,089 --> 01:04:44,520
of a tongue-in-cheek thing uh you know

1489
01:04:49,549 --> 01:04:47,099
or was that actual evidence that the

1490
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,559
Majestic 12 actually just existed and

1491
01:04:54,250 --> 01:04:51,119
all that so what about your other

1492
01:04:56,329 --> 01:04:54,260
associates is there a vaginal identicals

1493
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:56,339
pretty much so except Dennis is like

1494
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:57,900
different and for the most part they had

1495
01:05:06,530 --> 01:05:04,789
at one time you said that you thought

1496
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,540
you know uh the scientific Community

1497
01:05:11,770 --> 01:05:09,440
should be the ones in charge or you know

1498
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:11,780
tried to research this and everything

1499
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,040
what name would you put out what do you

1500
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,319
think would be qualified enough they had

1501
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:18,540
a group like that you know um as far as

1502
01:05:23,089 --> 01:05:21,000
being able to uh decipher what's going

1503
01:05:24,130 --> 01:05:23,099
on you know and stuff like that do you

1504
01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:24,140
have any names

1505
01:05:27,950 --> 01:05:26,099
uh yeah but they were friends

1506
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:27,960
essentially that I've worked with before

1507
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:29,640
but I know what their expertise is

1508
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:31,559
actual qualifications go on and so forth

1509
01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:32,940
like that and do you think that the

1510
01:05:37,069 --> 01:05:34,380
names you come up with they feel long

1511
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:37,079
enough you get along well enough well

1512
01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:38,940
one of them was Joe benonetti a guy that

1513
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:40,500
I worked with in Los Alamos one of my

1514
01:05:46,849 --> 01:05:43,319
colleagues and uh I was trying to force

1515
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,859
his resume on them and uh you know they

1516
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:48,240
did take it and look at it and I was

1517
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:49,680
kind of hoping that he would uh he would

1518
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:53,280
be a big phone to the project but uh

1519
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:56,579
you know I already left by the time

1520
01:06:08,410 --> 01:06:03,530
uh concerning local sightings here

1521
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,420
um I've personally seen two at one time

1522
01:06:12,770 --> 01:06:10,799
maneuvering and I remember the third one

1523
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,780
later and they learned to perform

1524
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,119
exactly like your video and if you took

1525
01:06:19,970 --> 01:06:17,760
that night at the broadcast now not to

1526
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,980
I'm not attacking anyone that's had

1527
01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:22,319
sightings but uh you know there are a

1528
01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:27,109
there's a lot of atmospheric phenomena

1529
01:06:32,610 --> 01:06:29,220
that can relate to I begin to sound like

1530
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:34,930
[Music]

1531
01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:38,400
right let me just to give it a fair

1532
01:06:44,930 --> 01:06:40,500
Shake in fact uh

1533
01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:46,670
Glenn Campbell I wrote that area for

1534
01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:49,020
only one guy and uh brought up uh I

1535
01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:51,299
don't think he believes my story but uh

1536
01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:53,579
I think he uh

1537
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:55,319
brought up some very good points in

1538
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,940
there and that a lot of that stuff could

1539
01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:59,280
be mistaken and if you're looking at

1540
01:07:02,750 --> 01:07:01,140
something with the naked eye a lot of

1541
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,760
times it can look like it jumps around

1542
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:04,319
and things like that especially if

1543
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,299
you're staring at it for a long time uh

1544
01:07:09,230 --> 01:07:07,920
it all depends it all depends how it's

1545
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,240
like that obviously if it's something

1546
01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:10,799
dramatic if something's close if

1547
01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:13,559
something makes a a tremendous jump a

1548
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:15,660
great distance other than a little you

1549
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,039
know tiny white light that looks like

1550
01:07:20,809 --> 01:07:18,720
the head of a pen that's a different

1551
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:20,819
story you know and if that's what you

1552
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:23,400
saw then that remains unexplained well

1553
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:25,260
that's what I'm referring to because was

1554
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:32,390
more of your videos sometimes almost

1555
01:07:38,809 --> 01:07:36,059
strobes and they were down on the ground

1556
01:07:45,370 --> 01:07:38,819
break took off and moved around with my

1557
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,510
take off but when they were moving

1558
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:49,200
around they could shut the light

1559
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:50,819
completely off now they can't shut them

1560
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:52,260
off what happened is the craft probably

1561
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:53,880
pitched with the bottom towards you and

1562
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,140
it looked like the light was off because

1563
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:57,599
you can't see the light from the Vine

1564
01:08:02,809 --> 01:08:00,539
I see things all right two questions one

1565
01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:02,819
is nothing both but why do they generate

1566
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:05,880
white why why do you see me white at all

1567
01:08:11,630 --> 01:08:09,720
well just answer that one first is uh

1568
01:08:13,549 --> 01:08:11,640
that's essentially operating like a

1569
01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,559
fluorescent tube anywhere you have uh

1570
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:15,480
you can take a powerful radio

1571
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:17,219
transmitter and you take a neon tube

1572
01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:18,299
when you bring it near it it's going to

1573
01:08:21,849 --> 01:08:20,460
light up just because the uh the atoms

1574
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,859
are getting excited

1575
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:24,000
for the surrounding area right you know

1576
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:25,199
the electrons go into a high energy

1577
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:27,179
State we drop down and release a photon

1578
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:28,739
and that's what's going on and secondly

1579
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:29,940
just a 2

1580
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:34,729
back on some

1581
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:37,560
few more on your uh your ideas what

1582
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:40,440
containers are and why we will refer to

1583
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:43,140
Containers fast containers

1584
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:45,540
I I can't even guess you know all I can

1585
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,460
say is exactly the way it was written

1586
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:49,440
and you know it because as soon as I

1587
01:08:52,910 --> 01:08:51,480
speculate on something you know it's

1588
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:52,920
people are going to lean towards that

1589
01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:54,540
way and it's not fair did those

1590
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:56,600
documents at all ascribe a purpose

1591
01:09:02,209 --> 01:09:00,120
genetic manipulations are being done

1592
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:02,219
you know this was not a large briefing I

1593
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,980
had 90 of the material that I read was

1594
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:06,719
dealing with my project and what I mean

1595
01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:09,480
briefings I mean two sheets of paper is

1596
01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:11,339
the uh just the information I got on

1597
01:09:15,169 --> 01:09:13,080
whatever else was going on probably to

1598
01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:15,179
alleviate you know my curiosity and that

1599
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:24,650
now the Aurora I did see once on the way

1600
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:25,980
out there and the only reason I say it's

1601
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:28,319
the Aurora is uh

1602
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,020
I uh I was told it by Dennis in the bus

1603
01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:34,319
and uh it makes an unbelievably loud

1604
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:37,799
sound and I think when I heard it I said

1605
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:40,620
it sounds like the sky is tearing and

1606
01:09:44,809 --> 01:09:42,420
from what I understand it operates on

1607
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,819
liquid methane powered engine there's a

1608
01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:46,319
lot of this information has gotten out

1609
01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:49,620
in uh Aviation week and Popular Science

1610
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:52,620
and it looked if this in fact was Aurora

1611
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:54,420
it was certainly a strange aircraft it

1612
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:55,380
looked like if you know what the old

1613
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,060
X-15 looked like a very long

1614
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,760
saundercraft with short Wings on it and

1615
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:02,640
a square exhaust that had little veins

1616
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:05,580
in it is it quite large

1617
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:08,880
is it large yes it's quite large it's a

1618
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:12,960
really overgrown thing and uh there are

1619
01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:14,340
a couple people that came up who I

1620
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:16,020
described the sound to one of them was

1621
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:17,760
uh

1622
01:10:21,290 --> 01:10:19,560
John Andrews from the testers model

1623
01:10:23,149 --> 01:10:21,300
Corporation and they're always spying

1624
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:23,159
around to make the most recent models of

1625
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:25,020
a stealth and things like that and he

1626
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,820
heard the exact sound that I described

1627
01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:28,380
unfortunately you couldn't record it but

1628
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:31,320
that really got him lit up he probably

1629
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:37,750
yeah okay

1630
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:40,560
all right quick when you listen to some

1631
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:41,940
abduction reports whether or not people

1632
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:43,500
believe it or not this is very common

1633
01:10:47,050 --> 01:10:45,300
thread of people being moved by blue

1634
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,060
beams of light

1635
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:49,199
did you ever talk to anybody in your

1636
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,300
work about technology that could explain

1637
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:53,400
that or is there extrapolation motion

1638
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:54,840
systems that you worked on principles

1639
01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:56,280
that could explain something any of the

1640
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:57,780
three gravity amplifiers could do that

1641
01:11:00,890 --> 01:10:59,460
could lift something off the ground or

1642
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,900
for that matter compacted into the

1643
01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:02,880
ground that's not a problem because the

1644
01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:05,580
craft in fact can operate on one

1645
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,739
amplifier in Omicron mode hovering that

1646
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:09,360
would leave the other amplifiers free to

1647
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:11,219
do anything so I imagine they could pick

1648
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:13,140
up cows or whatever else they want to do

1649
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,880
but you know the craft that I worked on

1650
01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:16,080
there were there was actually no

1651
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,219
provisions

1652
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,960
for anything to come in through the

1653
01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:20,640
bottom of the craft

1654
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:22,860
or anything along those lines so I I

1655
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,900
don't know how if that in fact goes

1656
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,340
happens in a completely different type

1657
01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:28,560
of craft does a blue sound is a blue

1658
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:30,120
color consistent with what you would

1659
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:30,900
expect

1660
01:11:33,950 --> 01:11:32,699
that's more consistent on the grass

1661
01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:33,960
glowing Orange

1662
01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:35,460
because you know the interaction of the

1663
01:11:43,149 --> 01:11:38,280
it should the you know nitrogen

1664
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:45,050
she's not cat I said well at least

1665
01:11:47,930 --> 01:11:46,500
Marco's injection molded because there

1666
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:47,940
was no sharp objects even where the

1667
01:11:51,709 --> 01:11:50,580
seats meet the floors curved the top of

1668
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:51,719
everything

1669
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:54,239
uh I think the analogy I gave it looked

1670
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:55,739
like it was completely made of wax and

1671
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:58,440
heated till it melted and then cool down

1672
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,120
everything is completely perfectly

1673
01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:03,120
rounded and uh if in fact you're talking

1674
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:06,360
about something that's uh containing a

1675
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:07,920
high voltage field that's exactly what

1676
01:12:12,590 --> 01:12:09,900
you want to have to you know prevent the

1677
01:12:15,229 --> 01:12:12,600
corona discharge from spraying off

1678
01:12:16,729 --> 01:12:15,239
can you focus the gravity wave on

1679
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,739
something that so many millions and

1680
01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:18,719
millions of miles away well first of all

1681
01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:20,040
I don't think they focus it that far

1682
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:22,620
away okay I was talking to with someone

1683
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,239
else uh

1684
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,400
I think these trips are made in several

1685
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:27,840
small jumps

1686
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:29,640
because the amount of energy required to

1687
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,800
do something like that in the it's not

1688
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,600
really that not the amount of energy but

1689
01:12:38,990 --> 01:12:36,239
if you're looking at three amplifiers

1690
01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:39,000
that Focus down to something the size of

1691
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,860
a tennis ball

1692
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:42,960
that the amount of precision that's

1693
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:45,659
required to move the amplifier with a

1694
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,699
minimal deviation out there eventually

1695
01:12:53,689 --> 01:12:49,920
is going to exceed anyone's level of

1696
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:53,699
technology so if you're doing a jump

1697
01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:57,540
of a thousand miles I mean that's

1698
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,340
tremendously impressive if you're doing

1699
01:13:03,649 --> 01:13:01,440
a I you know I can't see them jumping a

1700
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:03,659
light year much less dirty it just

1701
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:13,380
um

1702
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:16,970
[Music]

1703
01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:20,510
I never heard of them

1704
01:13:26,209 --> 01:13:23,930
in the video surrounding UFOs in Mexico

1705
01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:26,219
City during the eclipse there's some

1706
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:27,500
very remarkable

1707
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,500
video of a pulsation of some sort of

1708
01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:34,320
field surrounding these UFOs would that

1709
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:35,699
be an attribute would that be

1710
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:37,920
attributable the type of technology that

1711
01:14:06,590 --> 01:13:47,110
seem to be changing as well

1712
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:17,510
amazing

1713
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:19,790
apparently whatever I don't know what

1714
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,540
else to call it other than some sort of

1715
01:14:26,090 --> 01:14:23,760
anesthetizing

1716
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,100
hypnosis along those lines but anything

1717
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:28,860
that distracts attention uh

1718
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:31,679
at a high level and you know certainly

1719
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,020
uh you know some sort of stimulant drug

1720
01:14:40,189 --> 01:14:37,199
or something that gets someone riled up

1721
01:14:43,010 --> 01:14:40,199
would not permit that to happen it's

1722
01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:43,020
just like in modern hypnosis or not

1723
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,699
really modern hypnosis but in hypnosis

1724
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:46,320
in general if you're not in a relaxed

1725
01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:47,640
State you're not you're not going to get

1726
01:14:52,370 --> 01:14:50,580
into that level of Consciousness so uh

1727
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:52,380
you know if you're in a great alert

1728
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:55,380
awake state it's going to be hard to uh

1729
01:15:00,169 --> 01:14:58,560
you know cause that effect if you know

1730
01:15:02,330 --> 01:15:00,179
again if in fact that is correct

1731
01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:02,340
information what context was that

1732
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:04,199
information in

1733
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:06,360
that dealt with some of the biological

1734
01:15:09,709 --> 01:15:07,800
effects

1735
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:09,719
of the uh

1736
01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:12,360
of the aliens on

1737
01:15:17,229 --> 01:15:14,340
I think essentially on the human race is

1738
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:17,239
what it was that's how it was termed it

1739
01:15:21,890 --> 01:15:19,560
this was in I think it was in part of

1740
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,900
the autopsy reports because they had the

1741
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,239
single organ they had in their body uh

1742
01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:27,120
cross-sectioned and and split up and I

1743
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:29,460
think there was a

1744
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,080
comments in there about what different

1745
01:15:34,010 --> 01:15:32,640
functions of the brains are and I think

1746
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,020
that's where this came up as they're

1747
01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:36,719
trying to relate some unlong lobe of the

1748
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,540
brain to uh to this function but that's

1749
01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:41,940
so typical there again you know like in

1750
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:43,260
particle physics we don't know what it

1751
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:44,940
is so hey that's what does it you know

1752
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:48,420
it's not necessarily true

1753
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,480
yes I hope it'll be with an offended

1754
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:52,560
last question

1755
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:56,100
I have to ask it to verify your Bona

1756
01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:59,219
fides have you ever gone up by Any Other

1757
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:00,900
Name

1758
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:14,870
as far as I know

1759
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,810
yeah

1760
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:19,370
do you have any other biological

1761
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:25,250
no that's all I have and that was uh

1762
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:26,520
essentially just from looking at a

1763
01:16:37,729 --> 01:16:35,090
this is really just a comment because

1764
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:37,739
you mentioned how you feel about feeling

1765
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:40,560
mired that whole thing that

1766
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:43,199
you said that the craft that you worked

1767
01:16:47,689 --> 01:16:46,260
on looks just like the craft that from

1768
01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:47,699
the Philly Meyer one of them yeah

1769
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:49,500
however

1770
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:50,219
um

1771
01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:53,120
yeah beings that Billy buyers supposedly

1772
01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:56,340
was in contact with are supposedly

1773
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:59,820
full-size like average human beings

1774
01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:01,860
and you said that the staff you've

1775
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,100
worked on had children that a full

1776
01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:07,199
person could not sit on but if you

1777
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:08,940
looked at the Billy Myers information I

1778
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:11,100
think somewhere in there maybe I've got

1779
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:12,420
this wrong because some of this stuff

1780
01:17:16,669 --> 01:17:15,060
has gone through my head that they the

1781
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,679
people in large people and apparently

1782
01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:18,480
include that craft did not produce the

1783
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,760
craft do you think Billy Myers said it

1784
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,520
was uh it was obtained from creatures

1785
01:17:28,570 --> 01:17:25,199
that were two meters tall or a meter

1786
01:17:32,270 --> 01:17:31,189
that Billy Myers

1787
01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:32,280
yeah

1788
01:17:40,370 --> 01:17:37,970
well so are our guys for that matter so

1789
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,380
I imagine they could be retrofitted but

1790
01:17:45,050 --> 01:17:43,199
you know I I don't know I can't go

1791
01:17:47,390 --> 01:17:45,060
either way I know the one that I worked

1792
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:47,400
on was small and was certainly

1793
01:17:51,169 --> 01:17:49,620
uncomfortable for you know anything in

1794
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:51,179
the area five to six feet to walk around

1795
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,709
I don't know that's information that uh

1796
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:02,640
you know wasn't given

1797
01:18:07,390 --> 01:18:05,520
but I did I think as I said on my tape

1798
01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:07,400
and an interview somewhere one of them

1799
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,780
absolutely had a projectile hole through

1800
01:18:13,850 --> 01:18:12,239
it and uh the only thing I don't believe

1801
01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:13,860
it was shot down this is a personal

1802
01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:17,699
belief but uh more along the lines I

1803
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:19,320
believe it was stood up on its side just

1804
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:20,940
to see you know how the metal would

1805
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:22,500
react to a high-speed projectile going

1806
01:18:27,229 --> 01:18:24,540
through it

1807
01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:27,239
you were you were there for what four to

1808
01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:28,980
six months yeah

1809
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:30,780
um you had a lot of contact with

1810
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:33,780
security obviously yeah too much too

1811
01:18:39,410 --> 01:18:37,199
much more a safe person how did they act

1812
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,420
it depends each one goes

1813
01:18:44,810 --> 01:18:42,239
no I never talked to him I can't stand

1814
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:44,820
him they only went so far you know if I

1815
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:47,400
walked if I was in the lab area and I

1816
01:18:51,530 --> 01:18:49,440
went to the bathroom the guy that came

1817
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:51,540
with me or that was by the door went to

1818
01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:53,880
the bathroom he would go so far and if I

1819
01:18:57,229 --> 01:18:55,800
was leaving the perimeter someone there

1820
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:57,239
would be another guy that went from that

1821
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,739
distance on yeah was he Army Air Force

1822
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:04,320
can you tell I don't know any insignias

1823
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:06,840
on his uniform no he might have been

1824
01:19:10,669 --> 01:19:08,699
like I said they had a dark blue uniform

1825
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,679
most of the guys there except a few of

1826
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:12,480
the people outside had that desert camo

1827
01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:16,320
it's like here Beret cap

1828
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:18,540
no they didn't have any ads on

1829
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:21,900
there was many Insignia or anything

1830
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,480
that's all and that was it boy they're

1831
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:26,640
yeah there might have been but you know

1832
01:19:29,209 --> 01:19:27,960
at the time I probably didn't pay much

1833
01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:29,219
attention to it I was trying to put the

1834
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:31,500
guy in my mind though they never wanted

1835
01:19:36,530 --> 01:19:34,800
to talk they all seemed like a Stern uh

1836
01:19:37,790 --> 01:19:36,540
Delta Force bike or were they like oh

1837
01:19:41,149 --> 01:19:37,800
yeah

1838
01:19:42,530 --> 01:19:41,159
interested in what was going on and you

1839
01:19:45,290 --> 01:19:42,540
know what they've been briefed on I have

1840
01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:45,300
no idea but um

1841
01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:46,980
to them it seemed like we were a

1842
01:19:51,790 --> 01:19:49,800
nuisance but you know it's the reason

1843
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:51,800
that they're there

1844
01:19:58,930 --> 01:19:54,000
did you ever see any inside Hardware

1845
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:58,940
this machine the nuts and bolts wires

1846
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:01,920
and obviously probably did did it look

1847
01:20:04,850 --> 01:20:03,480
like our nuts and bolts and wires would

1848
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,860
get in the hardware store or what well

1849
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:06,239
as far as fastening devices everything

1850
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:07,500
was

1851
01:20:11,870 --> 01:20:09,300
formed together there were no nuts and

1852
01:20:14,990 --> 01:20:11,880
bolts uh why is there no connecting

1853
01:20:17,149 --> 01:20:15,000
wires even between electrical systems

1854
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:17,159
um so what

1855
01:20:23,149 --> 01:20:20,159
what was the course of energy how did it

1856
01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:23,159
go from one area to another area

1857
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:24,780
the best guess is essentially an

1858
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,550
a transmitter and essentially receiver

1859
01:20:34,729 --> 01:20:33,360
tuned to the transmitting frequency and

1860
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:34,739
receives the electrical power and you

1861
01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:36,420
know there again that's not real

1862
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,520
advanced technology Tesla did that in

1863
01:20:48,830 --> 01:20:40,800
the 30s lights on a console with a

1864
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:49,630
construction

1865
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:56,169
yes

1866
01:21:00,649 --> 01:20:59,149
could you recount for us in detail uh

1867
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,659
your memory of what happened the night

1868
01:21:08,890 --> 01:21:03,120
that you and the group of people were

1869
01:21:12,770 --> 01:21:11,330
no no it just uh it was it was

1870
01:21:14,630 --> 01:21:12,780
compelling and I just would be curious

1871
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:14,640
to hear when you

1872
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,380
particular there was one aspect of the

1873
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:18,800
story he said evidently when they were

1874
01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:22,920
vehicles of some tenant unmarked Broncos

1875
01:21:26,530 --> 01:21:24,420
were how many

1876
01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:26,540
he said five on each side of the road

1877
01:21:32,270 --> 01:21:29,219
and it must have been a different time

1878
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:32,280
no jump from the either jump in the car

1879
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:35,340
or left the occupants of the car to go

1880
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:36,600
out into the desert so that you wouldn't

1881
01:21:42,490 --> 01:21:37,920
be discovered amongst the people there

1882
01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:46,010
we uh we drove out well I mean generally

1883
01:21:49,850 --> 01:21:47,940
is a nice guy and I like him but you

1884
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:49,860
know he does have a tendency to add

1885
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:53,040
about 15 color to stories and if a story

1886
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:05,169
but uh

1887
01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:09,050
Gene uh my wife at the time and her

1888
01:22:13,729 --> 01:22:10,920
sister

1889
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:13,739
we're gonna go out and see what we could

1890
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:15,000
see because it was a test flight coming

1891
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,110
John knew that we were up to something

1892
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,520
because we didn't invite him in and he

1893
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:25,199
showed up at the house and said okay you

1894
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:27,840
know we'll work on you know come on

1895
01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:30,540
um we had rented a car because the only

1896
01:22:35,149 --> 01:22:33,320
reason we rented a car was because

1897
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,159
sister-in-law was in from out of town

1898
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:36,960
all I've ever owned usually the sports

1899
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:39,900
cars they see two people and uh again

1900
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:41,460
that's all we had so we'd rented a car

1901
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,000
and we all piled into that and uh

1902
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:46,800
we drove out there I don't remember what

1903
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:48,420
time we got there at it

1904
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,360
but it got dark we waited right Till

1905
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:54,239
Dusk to drive up the road

1906
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:57,960
and we've got uh probably about

1907
01:23:03,229 --> 01:23:01,199
seven miles in I think and we're very

1908
01:23:04,250 --> 01:23:03,239
careful not to hit the brakes because we

1909
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,260
don't know what the lights going on

1910
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:05,760
because we knew they're by watching up

1911
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:07,140
on the road beforehand we knew there

1912
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:09,060
were Security Guys running around just

1913
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:11,580
looking is the mailbox Road no I've

1914
01:23:15,649 --> 01:23:13,980
never been on a mailbox Road that's the

1915
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:15,659
only other Brew row that okay you know

1916
01:23:18,770 --> 01:23:17,040
big one that goes up there well it's

1917
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,780
probably on mailbox road but I didn't

1918
01:23:21,470 --> 01:23:20,400
watch anything from that

1919
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,480
um

1920
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,760
we drove in probably about five to seven

1921
01:23:27,950 --> 01:23:25,920
miles and

1922
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:27,960
I had brought we brought all kinds of

1923
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,640
stuff with us we bought uh Geiger

1924
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:31,679
counters we brought a Celestron tennis

1925
01:23:34,729 --> 01:23:33,000
telescope

1926
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:34,739
I brought a nine millimeter pistol

1927
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:37,800
because I didn't I really didn't want to

1928
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,900
get caught and

1929
01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:41,760
um

1930
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:44,040
we came up there and as we stopped the

1931
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,360
car

1932
01:23:50,030 --> 01:23:48,239
uh my sister-in-law was driving she

1933
01:23:52,370 --> 01:23:50,040
stepped on the brakes

1934
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:52,380
and so we stopped right there and just

1935
01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:54,420
waited we didn't see any reaction

1936
01:23:58,250 --> 01:23:56,520
and then somebody opened the door and

1937
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:58,260
the dome light went on and as soon as

1938
01:24:02,330 --> 01:24:00,060
that happened two different sets of

1939
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:02,340
headlights lit up on either side of us

1940
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:06,480
and we said that's it we're dead so uh I

1941
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:08,040
went in the truck and I got my pistol

1942
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,140
and I went out to the desert they were

1943
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,520
far enough away oh no what happened when

1944
01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:13,440
I got there we hopped in the car and

1945
01:24:16,729 --> 01:24:15,239
then started really all and asked back

1946
01:24:17,930 --> 01:24:16,739
to the exit and if we'd get to the road

1947
01:24:19,729 --> 01:24:17,940
in time you know we're out of there to

1948
01:24:21,169 --> 01:24:19,739
his jurisdiction there's no problem so

1949
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:21,179
we got about halfway up there and I

1950
01:24:26,570 --> 01:24:23,699
think there were three vehicles the

1951
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:26,580
maximum I stopped and you know we

1952
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:28,020
figured we're not getting out of there

1953
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,300
because uh as we're getting close to the

1954
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,679
top of the road you can see the other

1955
01:24:35,149 --> 01:24:33,420
vehicle pull in I said well yeah we're

1956
01:24:36,850 --> 01:24:35,159
trapped something I got off and ran out

1957
01:24:40,610 --> 01:24:36,860
to the desert

1958
01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:40,620
uh now the rest of the story is from the

1959
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,780
people that were there because I was out

1960
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:44,480
in the desert laying down on the ground

1961
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:48,179
uh supposedly what happened was uh

1962
01:24:53,689 --> 01:24:50,219
see these guys came out

1963
01:24:57,729 --> 01:24:53,699
John set up the telescope real fast and

1964
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:00,649
the guys came over and said

1965
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:02,580
I think John interrupted him say hey

1966
01:25:05,149 --> 01:25:03,900
what are you guys trying to do a drug

1967
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:05,159
deal or something did we interrupt

1968
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,480
something and you know they kind of just

1969
01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:08,400
shrug that off and John said well we're

1970
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,920
looking at Jupiter and uh you know they

1971
01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:12,239
said what are you guys doing out here

1972
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:13,860
they just ignored whoever he had to say

1973
01:25:17,090 --> 01:25:14,940
and

1974
01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:17,100
went on for a while I don't remember the

1975
01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:18,540
conversation because I wasn't wasn't

1976
01:25:22,490 --> 01:25:20,280
there but uh

1977
01:25:23,630 --> 01:25:22,500
no it was Pitch Black you couldn't see

1978
01:25:25,490 --> 01:25:23,640
your hand in printing price it was a

1979
01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:25,500
moon last night and they said all right

1980
01:25:29,630 --> 01:25:27,480
we'll just get the hell out of here

1981
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:29,640
they back off down the road and they

1982
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:31,560
stopped but we didn't know that and

1983
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,300
turned around you can see all this

1984
01:25:37,490 --> 01:25:35,280
happening right because no my head was

1985
01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:37,500
down I didn't want my glasses are my

1986
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:39,780
white face shining so

1987
01:25:42,890 --> 01:25:41,460
um a few hundred yards away our yards

1988
01:25:44,930 --> 01:25:42,900
away they had stopped no one knew this

1989
01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:44,940
at the time and I came back

1990
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,340
you know out of the desert and uh but

1991
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:49,679
you know I'm usually very sarcastic and

1992
01:25:54,649 --> 01:25:52,560
joke around and uh what I said was when

1993
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,659
Gene Huff was standing there I said man

1994
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,159
we're lucky those guys didn't see the

1995
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:58,080
other 50 Delta Force we had out there or

1996
01:26:00,649 --> 01:25:59,460
something along those lines you know

1997
01:26:02,090 --> 01:26:00,659
that could have taken them out at any

1998
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:02,100
time and he laughed and it was just I

1999
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:03,480
don't remember the exact content of the

2000
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:06,480
joke but uh those guys heard that

2001
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,340
and they're sitting there watching us so

2002
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:10,080
I guess now I've learned about most of

2003
01:26:14,270 --> 01:26:11,520
this from the debriefing afterwards I'm

2004
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:14,280
going to take my hand so the guys that

2005
01:26:18,110 --> 01:26:16,620
were there were on top of the truck or

2006
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:18,120
Jeep they had and they went to arms

2007
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,500
because they thought there were guys

2008
01:26:22,189 --> 01:26:21,120
standing out there so they had us all in

2009
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:22,199
our gun point we didn't know what was

2010
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:24,900
going on and we're sitting there talking

2011
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:26,520
about everything that had happened

2012
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:28,139
flying saucers and all that stuff

2013
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,000
sitting on the bumper and we're just

2014
01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:32,400
looking off down the road we see a

2015
01:26:35,330 --> 01:26:33,900
little green light drop on the ground

2016
01:26:37,129 --> 01:26:35,340
and roll around and it was a night

2017
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,139
vision scope and someone picks it up and

2018
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,360
it disappears and you know we all said

2019
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,800
well let's get the hell out of here

2020
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:42,239
what's that what happened what's that

2021
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:43,380
one of the guards that dropped a night

2022
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:44,880
vision scope and it rolled on the ground

2023
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,980
and we could see the little green image

2024
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,719
rolling around and you see it pick up

2025
01:26:52,910 --> 01:26:50,880
and you know disappear and it was only

2026
01:26:54,649 --> 01:26:52,920
like from here to the you know the

2027
01:26:56,689 --> 01:26:54,659
netting over there that was the distance

2028
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:56,699
because it was completely dark wow and

2029
01:27:00,350 --> 01:26:58,560
uh so we got scared and you know as soon

2030
01:27:01,790 --> 01:27:00,360
as we got in the car we all agreed there

2031
01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:01,800
right there you know and they heard

2032
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:04,440
everything so we took off and we got to

2033
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:05,820
the you know top of the road in Lincoln

2034
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:07,980
County Sheriff was there

2035
01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:11,100
and that was another major hassle so he

2036
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:12,540
wanted to search the car we wouldn't let

2037
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:14,219
him in he was in radio contact with the

2038
01:27:19,810 --> 01:27:17,340
base or these guys out there and uh they

2039
01:27:22,490 --> 01:27:19,820
said where did the extra guy come from

2040
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:22,500
you know that completely confused him

2041
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:23,940
because they had never I guess he had

2042
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:26,219
never seen me come up or something like

2043
01:27:29,629 --> 01:27:27,540
that they thought I was another guy that

2044
01:27:31,070 --> 01:27:29,639
walked around however can anyway the big

2045
01:27:33,229 --> 01:27:31,080
problem was that there was another guy

2046
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,239
and I think legally they can only hold

2047
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:35,280
you there for an hour and we were there

2048
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,560
for like 59 minutes and he said you know

2049
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:39,360
okay go but you know he really wanted to

2050
01:27:44,570 --> 01:27:42,000
search well I gotta backtrack a bit John

2051
01:27:46,370 --> 01:27:44,580
Lehrer made the Colossal mistake we were

2052
01:27:48,169 --> 01:27:46,380
under just minimal suspicion at the time

2053
01:27:50,570 --> 01:27:48,179
and he asked for everyone's ID

2054
01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:50,580
him in the trunk we had everything the

2055
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,380
guy recounters and all that stuff and

2056
01:27:55,850 --> 01:27:54,719
you know the the people that didn't want

2057
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,860
to show their ID he said well we don't

2058
01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:57,120
have it we left it at home and the other

2059
01:28:01,070 --> 01:27:58,920
ones that did you know took it out and

2060
01:28:02,750 --> 01:28:01,080
John said wait money's in the trunk and

2061
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:02,760
he opens the trunk and there's all the

2062
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,260
stuff laying there and that's that's

2063
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:06,000
when the cop decided to keep us for a

2064
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:07,500
long time we've always hassled John

2065
01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:10,380
about that forever and he said so you

2066
01:28:13,490 --> 01:28:11,820
guys are out here with a geiger counter

2067
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,500
a telescope and all this other hardware

2068
01:28:16,850 --> 01:28:15,120
sound equipment and video stuff and

2069
01:28:18,290 --> 01:28:16,860
you're just out you know just out

2070
01:28:20,570 --> 01:28:18,300
walking around and you know we all said

2071
01:28:22,189 --> 01:28:20,580
yeah and you know so that's when he kept

2072
01:28:23,689 --> 01:28:22,199
us and that's how that's really what

2073
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:23,699
happened that day and the following day

2074
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:26,340
it was a work day for me but I was taken

2075
01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:33,470
right well that was uh that was kind of

2076
01:28:37,850 --> 01:28:35,420
a turning point

2077
01:28:39,890 --> 01:28:37,860
you officially fired no I was never

2078
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:39,900
fired see at the time they were going to

2079
01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:41,940
pull my clearance before that

2080
01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:43,500
so it's I don't know if that was ever

2081
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,460
clear the main reason was for me not

2082
01:28:51,530 --> 01:28:49,440
progressing any further there

2083
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,540
was they halted my clearance because at

2084
01:28:55,010 --> 01:28:53,040
the time I had

2085
01:28:57,229 --> 01:28:55,020
my phone was being tapped and I I

2086
01:28:58,850 --> 01:28:57,239
allowed that I signed the uh you know

2087
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:58,860
the order to do that and I'm going

2088
01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:01,679
through my background and uh you know at

2089
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,139
the time I you know did tell my wife

2090
01:29:09,410 --> 01:29:06,480
what was going on until later and you

2091
01:29:11,209 --> 01:29:09,420
know as things progress but uh

2092
01:29:13,450 --> 01:29:11,219
she was having an affair with somebody

2093
01:29:16,010 --> 01:29:13,460
on the phone

2094
01:29:19,570 --> 01:29:16,020
and I was her flight instructor that I

2095
01:29:24,110 --> 01:29:22,129
this was going on just like in you know

2096
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,120
the astronaut program not only do you

2097
01:29:27,709 --> 01:29:26,159
have to have you know security as far as

2098
01:29:28,970 --> 01:29:27,719
I know connection to foreign governments

2099
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,980
or things like that but as far as your

2100
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:30,480
family lives it has to be stable because

2101
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,679
they don't want any you know loose

2102
01:29:36,410 --> 01:29:34,080
cannons running around yeah so this was

2103
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,420
going on I had no knowledge of it and

2104
01:29:40,189 --> 01:29:38,880
they said well you know we're gonna what

2105
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:40,199
they were gonna do not say anything to

2106
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,540
me and wait until

2107
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:44,400
one way or another the situation

2108
01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:46,800
resolved itself either you know my wife

2109
01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:49,380
took off or you know

2110
01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:52,500
came to an end or whatever so uh when I

2111
01:29:55,970 --> 01:29:54,120
was in uh

2112
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:55,980
debriefing essentially that day you know

2113
01:29:59,209 --> 01:29:57,780
this is when they really started

2114
01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:59,219
attacking me and hassling me and that's

2115
01:30:02,510 --> 01:30:00,900
when they took out the phone transcripts

2116
01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:02,520
Anyway by the way Bob your wife's

2117
01:30:06,430 --> 01:30:04,920
fighting somebody and that was uh the

2118
01:30:09,290 --> 01:30:06,440
last time

2119
01:30:12,890 --> 01:30:09,300
so that was a real rather profound

2120
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:12,900
meeting yeah right anyways so that was

2121
01:30:24,910 --> 01:30:15,120
uh it's been just pretty pulled over

2122
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:27,169
yeah but not that really changes

2123
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:28,560
anything

2124
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:32,100
it's just little technical things that

2125
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:33,600
you know it's really not worth bringing

2126
01:30:38,209 --> 01:30:35,360
it

2127
01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:38,219
yeah real quick did you see the

2128
01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:40,920
paperwork and now they got got the discs

2129
01:30:44,090 --> 01:30:42,360
to start with

2130
01:30:48,669 --> 01:30:44,100
now

2131
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,050
are there dangerous levels of radiation

2132
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:53,520
in this area because of testing these

2133
01:30:57,530 --> 01:30:55,980
they did previously now and we at this

2134
01:31:01,970 --> 01:30:57,540
point we just I think we wanted to see

2135
01:31:14,050 --> 01:31:03,890
remember it was just like a staple to

2136
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:16,490
before I got to enter the background I

2137
01:31:19,610 --> 01:31:18,360
don't know

2138
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,620
Bob this might be important because

2139
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:21,840
Jacques police is such stature and he's

2140
01:31:26,090 --> 01:31:24,000
trying to debunk you on the basis of

2141
01:31:29,149 --> 01:31:26,100
your supposedly he's telling your

2142
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:29,159
reporters only that you saw a DVM and an

2143
01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:31,860
oscilloscope at S4 as far as the

2144
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,480
equipment there yeah

2145
01:31:38,930 --> 01:31:35,280
this is another thing that's gotten so

2146
01:31:40,010 --> 01:31:38,940
Twisted actually who's a UFO writer or

2147
01:31:41,050 --> 01:31:40,020
something

2148
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,060
um

2149
01:31:45,229 --> 01:31:43,679
came to see me in Las Vegas I don't

2150
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:45,239
remember how long ago it was but after

2151
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:48,179
the George Knapp thing and um

2152
01:31:52,189 --> 01:31:50,760
he came down with some producers from

2153
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:52,199
Universal Studios who was going to make

2154
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:55,800
a movie about his um his book Intruders

2155
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:57,840
or not Intruders that's anyone else uh

2156
01:32:02,930 --> 01:32:01,199
dementia anyway they came down with him

2157
01:32:04,970 --> 01:32:02,940
and they said well we want to know what

2158
01:32:05,689 --> 01:32:04,980
you think of this and uh

2159
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:05,699
yeah

2160
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:07,440
you know just give us your opinion if

2161
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:09,540
this jobs and I looked at the

2162
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:10,800
information and he explained it to me

2163
01:32:14,810 --> 01:32:12,719
and I said that has nothing to do with

2164
01:32:17,149 --> 01:32:14,820
the craft that I worked on or any of the

2165
01:32:20,030 --> 01:32:17,159
technology that I was involved in Period

2166
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:20,040
and uh Jack really didn't appreciate

2167
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:23,100
that but they asked for my opinion so I

2168
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:24,480
said and you know as far as the

2169
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:25,800
conclusions he's drawn I don't agree

2170
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:26,760
with him I think they're completely

2171
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:29,100
wrong and so on and so forth so he

2172
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:30,480
really didn't like me after that point

2173
01:32:34,250 --> 01:32:32,580
so he began to interview me and he said

2174
01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:34,260
well what did you do here and here and I

2175
01:32:38,209 --> 01:32:36,360
went over things and there's one and

2176
01:32:39,770 --> 01:32:38,219
this is on tape I don't see why he would

2177
01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:39,780
even make a fuss about it but he said

2178
01:32:44,030 --> 01:32:41,880
well well what kind of equipment did you

2179
01:32:46,129 --> 01:32:44,040
have to work with and I said a wide

2180
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:46,139
variety of you know of different things

2181
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:47,280
and he said well what about at your

2182
01:32:50,930 --> 01:32:48,960
bench what was on your bench I said

2183
01:32:53,149 --> 01:32:50,940
anything you'd find in a normal Tech

2184
01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:53,159
bench I said oscilloscopes dvms things

2185
01:32:56,810 --> 01:32:55,320
like that and he said okay and then you

2186
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:56,820
know later I heard through the grapevine

2187
01:33:00,350 --> 01:32:58,560
that he's out doing election and Bob

2188
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:00,360
Lazar so he's back engineered the flying

2189
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:02,280
saucers with an oscilloscope and a DVM

2190
01:33:08,209 --> 01:33:05,280
and yeah it was on tape and I think a

2191
01:33:09,950 --> 01:33:08,219
lot of that's he's really pretty pissed

2192
01:33:11,209 --> 01:33:09,960
at me for shooting down the movie but I

2193
01:33:13,070 --> 01:33:11,219
had no idea that was going to be the

2194
01:33:15,229 --> 01:33:13,080
effect or else I would have reserved my

2195
01:33:17,770 --> 01:33:15,239
opinion

2196
01:33:20,689 --> 01:33:17,780
just the way it goes

2197
01:33:22,810 --> 01:33:20,699
what was the physical layout of the

2198
01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:22,820
compound where you've worked at like

2199
01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:25,260
could you describe it

2200
01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:27,780
uh it was long it was but up the side on

2201
01:33:32,689 --> 01:33:30,300
the side of the mountain range there and

2202
01:33:34,250 --> 01:33:32,699
all the hangar doors went alongside and

2203
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:34,260
then there's a long Corridor that goes

2204
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:38,159
down in back of the hangers uh off that

2205
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,260
car door comes

2206
01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:42,480
uh several rooms only two or three of

2207
01:33:48,169 --> 01:33:45,540
which I've been in the medical area the

2208
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:48,179
uh lab that I worked in and there's a

2209
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:49,380
small little room where I write some

2210
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,880
briefing some things along those lines

2211
01:33:55,129 --> 01:33:53,040
but I've been in any of the other rooms

2212
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,139
or know if there are things behind it or

2213
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:57,600
underneath it so that's that's all I can

2214
01:34:04,430 --> 01:33:59,760
help you with on that

2215
01:34:06,169 --> 01:34:04,440
um last night John Lear said that you

2216
01:34:09,169 --> 01:34:06,179
really didn't believe that there was

2217
01:34:11,149 --> 01:34:09,179
anything unusual going on in those space

2218
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:11,159
shuttle shots you thought it was ice

2219
01:34:29,649 --> 01:34:13,020
particles you know these ones they've

2220
01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:31,610
unfortunately it would be neat if

2221
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:32,940
they're applying sausage but if you see

2222
01:34:38,169 --> 01:34:34,800
a bright white flash first that's the

2223
01:34:40,970 --> 01:34:38,179
positioning Thruster firing on the floor

2224
01:34:43,370 --> 01:34:40,980
no it doesn't it normally doesn't do

2225
01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:43,380
that you know they those are station

2226
01:34:47,689 --> 01:34:45,360
keeping thrusters and that it all

2227
01:34:49,250 --> 01:34:47,699
depends if the Thruster is firing in the

2228
01:34:50,689 --> 01:34:49,260
direction of the shuttle keeping its

2229
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,699
forward momentum there'll be no attitude

2230
01:34:53,870 --> 01:34:52,320
change that's only if they're firing a

2231
01:34:56,090 --> 01:34:53,880
pitch rocket will you see a change like

2232
01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:56,100
that and the fact that it flew forward

2233
01:35:00,050 --> 01:34:58,139
means it was firing in the direction of

2234
01:35:01,610 --> 01:35:00,060
the shuttle so those little dots and

2235
01:35:03,290 --> 01:35:01,620
things you see I mean I firmly believe

2236
01:35:04,910 --> 01:35:03,300
because I've seen other things along

2237
01:35:06,169 --> 01:35:04,920
those lines are right on the lens

2238
01:35:08,750 --> 01:35:06,179
they're not on the horizon that's why

2239
01:35:10,129 --> 01:35:08,760
you see a flash there's a delay and then

2240
01:35:11,629 --> 01:35:10,139
particles that are normally floating in

2241
01:35:13,850 --> 01:35:11,639
space you see Dart off like that because

2242
01:35:15,890 --> 01:35:13,860
of the delay time from that and uh you

2243
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:15,900
know until I see something else that uh

2244
01:35:20,450 --> 01:35:18,719
leads me to believe this I know it it

2245
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:20,460
looked neat you know like there was a

2246
01:35:23,629 --> 01:35:21,600
flash that's something that came up from

2247
01:35:25,010 --> 01:35:23,639
the ground but if you just watch that

2248
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,020
and think that these are right against

2249
01:35:30,649 --> 01:35:27,600
the lens and that right flash is one of

2250
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:30,659
the very uh thrusters firing that uh you

2251
01:35:33,530 --> 01:35:31,440
know you'll probably have a different

2252
01:35:35,870 --> 01:35:33,540
opinion of it what about the right angle

2253
01:35:37,550 --> 01:35:35,880
move it's a 45 degree turn which means

2254
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:37,560
it has to stop it's crazy you're talking

2255
01:35:40,189 --> 01:35:38,880
about little dust particles that are

2256
01:35:41,629 --> 01:35:40,199
moving and then when the thrusts are

2257
01:35:43,129 --> 01:35:41,639
fired you know it doesn't there's

2258
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:43,139
there's no Mass to them in the reverse

2259
01:35:47,570 --> 01:35:44,639
Direction other particles in the video

2260
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:47,580
to do the exact same thing well yeah if

2261
01:35:50,750 --> 01:35:48,960
you look at the whole video on that just

2262
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,760
to crop down there's all kinds of junk

2263
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,800
floating around and when that Thruster

2264
01:35:56,330 --> 01:35:54,480
fires there's about a one second delay

2265
01:35:57,950 --> 01:35:56,340
and everything goes flying off exactly

2266
01:35:59,689 --> 01:35:57,960
like you'd expect everything goes flying

2267
01:36:02,030 --> 01:35:59,699
off and drifting except for one item

2268
01:36:03,770 --> 01:36:02,040
that accelerates it like 10 times the

2269
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:03,780
speed of all the other items in the

2270
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:06,130
video yeah but there's there's

2271
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,440
[Music]

2272
01:36:11,689 --> 01:36:09,440
a breakdown yeah

2273
01:36:14,990 --> 01:36:11,699
what about when

2274
01:36:18,370 --> 01:36:15,000
talking about the Life coming over the

2275
01:36:22,430 --> 01:36:18,380
horizon of the planet under those layers

2276
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:22,440
and both of the ionosphere yeah but that

2277
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:25,440
doesn't it still doesn't make sense it

2278
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,060
doesn't take into account that something

2279
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,520
is right on the camera lens you see the

2280
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:30,960
tape that you listen to it didn't have

2281
01:36:35,689 --> 01:36:33,600
the last transmission from

2282
01:36:37,370 --> 01:36:35,699
to have them I really don't I don't

2283
01:36:39,110 --> 01:36:37,380
remember no I'm not standing on this

2284
01:36:41,169 --> 01:36:39,120
like it's an absolute fact but from what

2285
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:41,179
I from what I've seen

2286
01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:51,350
I don't know I mean that's that's my

2287
01:36:55,490 --> 01:36:53,820
opinion and I haven't I haven't seen

2288
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:55,500
anything to Veer me from it but you know

2289
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:05,390
I don't know that's all I can say

2290
01:37:09,649 --> 01:37:07,790
earlier do you think physics is taking a

2291
01:37:13,450 --> 01:37:09,659
long term by looking for exchange

2292
01:37:19,310 --> 01:37:15,830
not clear on why you're skeptical about

2293
01:37:21,530 --> 01:37:19,320
the ground about the graviton yeah

2294
01:37:24,590 --> 01:37:21,540
every every other Force seems that they

2295
01:37:26,930 --> 01:37:24,600
have an exchange of Articles no not

2296
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:26,940
necessarily I mean they make it have one

2297
01:37:31,689 --> 01:37:30,000
but you know as time goes on that that

2298
01:37:34,490 --> 01:37:31,699
really hasn't held true

2299
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:34,500
uh and you know the bottom line is they

2300
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:35,340
don't

2301
01:37:40,450 --> 01:37:38,340
believe there's a graviton anymore so

2302
01:37:44,030 --> 01:37:40,460
I'm not the only one

2303
01:37:45,890 --> 01:37:44,040
as far as exchange particles

2304
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:45,900
you know still

2305
01:37:49,310 --> 01:37:47,520
though some of them like The Zeta

2306
01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:49,320
particle maybe that's

2307
01:37:52,610 --> 01:37:51,540
maybe that's an actual thing but you

2308
01:37:55,070 --> 01:37:52,620
know when they're looking at transfers

2309
01:37:57,169 --> 01:37:55,080
of energy I think these are scapegoats

2310
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:57,179
you know for the most part and uh you

2311
01:38:01,330 --> 01:37:58,560
know a lot of the experiments that I was

2312
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:01,340
doing in Los Alamos essentially was

2313
01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:04,560
along the same lines but uh you know

2314
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:05,880
other exchange particles like the

2315
01:38:09,649 --> 01:38:07,920
Intermediate Vector boson you know I

2316
01:38:11,090 --> 01:38:09,659
don't I don't believe that thing exists

2317
01:38:14,510 --> 01:38:11,100
I really don't I think they're grabbing

2318
01:38:17,149 --> 01:38:14,520
at straws and just go on it with excuses

2319
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,159
did you use or see any any kind of

2320
01:38:21,709 --> 01:38:19,679
drawing mechanical drawing or electrical

2321
01:38:22,990 --> 01:38:21,719
schematics really any kind of

2322
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,000
documentation

2323
01:38:27,950 --> 01:38:26,639
which we don't know uh of what we do

2324
01:38:29,629 --> 01:38:27,960
with the amplifier and Engineering

2325
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:29,639
layouts and things along those lines and

2326
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:43,490
is there a difference in I mean the

2327
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,430
well zero gravity is ideally What It

2328
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:54,480
Wants I don't think it wants in any

2329
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:02,450
no not really

2330
01:39:07,729 --> 01:39:03,920
but as far as you know

2331
01:39:08,990 --> 01:39:07,739
no no atmosphere you know as of 1989

2332
01:39:11,450 --> 01:39:09,000
when I left

2333
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:11,460
since it is controlling gravity would it

2334
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:13,080
be possible if these things could either

2335
01:39:16,729 --> 01:39:14,880
make themselves entirely invisible or

2336
01:39:17,870 --> 01:39:16,739
field of invisibility by bending the

2337
01:39:20,209 --> 01:39:17,880
light around the outside of the ship

2338
01:39:23,149 --> 01:39:20,219
yeah I know that's a byproduct of what's

2339
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:23,159
going on because you know just as

2340
01:39:28,370 --> 01:39:26,340
any large source of gravity bends light

2341
01:39:35,950 --> 01:39:28,380
any intense Focus Source like that and

2342
01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:38,090
some of the equipment in most of the

2343
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:45,410
uh no I'm not tested it because I don't

2344
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,800
want the facilities to do that but like

2345
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:48,480
I mentioned to someone else earlier that

2346
01:39:54,350 --> 01:39:51,600
uh this summer I'll be patenting those

2347
01:39:56,990 --> 01:39:54,360
drawings and that that device itself so

2348
01:39:58,250 --> 01:39:57,000
should anyone decide and all of a sudden

2349
01:40:00,370 --> 01:39:58,260
they discovered it and since they've

2350
01:40:04,990 --> 01:40:00,380
made no claim to it

2351
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:07,910
you know that's that's really part of

2352
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:10,260
the Federation The Intergalactic patent

2353
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:24,169
yeah yeah sure

2354
01:40:30,050 --> 01:40:27,890
how do you build a gravity detector so

2355
01:40:32,090 --> 01:40:30,060
you can determine the frequency

2356
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,100
Source direction of a gravity wave

2357
01:40:34,689 --> 01:40:34,080
planet

2358
01:40:40,129 --> 01:40:34,699
s

2359
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:40,139
tough thing to make and uh there are

2360
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,440
there they are being made and

2361
01:40:47,689 --> 01:40:45,600
I don't exactly follow what they're

2362
01:40:50,990 --> 01:40:47,699
doing but I know the basis of what it is

2363
01:40:52,729 --> 01:40:51,000
it's a giant drum it's uh 20 or 30 feet

2364
01:40:54,590 --> 01:40:52,739
long and it's filled with dry cleaning

2365
01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:54,600
fluid with carbon tetrachloride in there

2366
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:57,239
and it rotates and I haven't I never

2367
01:41:02,330 --> 01:40:59,040
paid much attention to it I have no idea

2368
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:02,340
how that detects a gravity wave but uh

2369
01:41:07,629 --> 01:41:04,980
there's I think Caltech has even funded

2370
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:07,639
funded one of them

2371
01:41:17,930 --> 01:41:14,629
what is the frequency

2372
01:41:20,990 --> 01:41:17,940
the well the frequency the the actual

2373
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:21,000
reactor operates at is like 7.46 Hertz

2374
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:22,560
it's a very low frequency that's the

2375
01:41:31,550 --> 01:41:28,910
that the reactor operates at

2376
01:41:33,649 --> 01:41:31,560
if you use any computer process in the

2377
01:41:37,729 --> 01:41:33,659
Control process in the Control process

2378
01:41:42,410 --> 01:41:37,739
no I wasn't affiliated with that

2379
01:41:52,129 --> 01:41:47,330
spend these massive billions of dollars

2380
01:41:54,890 --> 01:41:52,139
on Space projects that are extended you

2381
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:54,900
know 20 years into the future when it

2382
01:41:59,570 --> 01:41:56,940
knows it has this technology it would

2383
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:59,580
make them all out

2384
01:42:02,450 --> 01:42:00,719
thank you

2385
01:42:04,189 --> 01:42:02,460
doesn't want to repeat the question but

2386
01:42:06,530 --> 01:42:04,199
oh I want to know why the government

2387
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,540
would continue to spend millions and

2388
01:42:10,189 --> 01:42:08,400
billions I guess of dollars on Space

2389
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,199
projects when you know they have this

2390
01:42:14,209 --> 01:42:12,480
technology and uh well first of all

2391
01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:14,219
you're assuming that

2392
01:42:17,330 --> 01:42:15,719
you know the whole

2393
01:42:18,890 --> 01:42:17,340
the whole one of the government knows

2394
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:18,900
what's going on and that's probably not

2395
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,920
the case

2396
01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:21,600
NASA probably isn't aware of what's

2397
01:42:26,209 --> 01:42:24,840
going on here uh second of all just

2398
01:42:28,189 --> 01:42:26,219
because they have the stuff they haven't

2399
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:28,199
you know they haven't left the Earth

2400
01:42:31,970 --> 01:42:29,940
with it and they won't so we still want

2401
01:42:33,649 --> 01:42:31,980
to send things up in orbit and uh that's

2402
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:33,659
the most efficient we you know way we

2403
01:42:38,209 --> 01:42:34,860
have of doing it is essentially building

2404
01:42:40,129 --> 01:42:38,219
a big firework to go up there but they

2405
01:42:43,390 --> 01:42:40,139
spent the same money in developing this

2406
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,400
technology or half of it

2407
01:42:46,850 --> 01:42:45,840
not necessarily you know realize all the

2408
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:46,860
money in the world doesn't get you

2409
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:50,400
anywhere you know though it helps it uh

2410
01:42:53,149 --> 01:42:51,600
and of course if you want to keep

2411
01:42:54,410 --> 01:42:53,159
something secret you know that's out of

2412
01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:54,420
the question but you know putting that

2413
01:42:57,530 --> 01:42:56,100
aside just dumping you know billions and

2414
01:42:58,970 --> 01:42:57,540
billions of dollars into it sure you're

2415
01:43:00,770 --> 01:42:58,980
going to make big strides and you get

2416
01:43:02,689 --> 01:43:00,780
you know real reasonable people to work

2417
01:43:04,189 --> 01:43:02,699
on the thing but you're still going to

2418
01:43:07,550 --> 01:43:04,199
get stuck

2419
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:07,560
you know around the area of where uh

2420
01:43:13,149 --> 01:43:10,320
you don't have proper materials or you

2421
01:43:15,470 --> 01:43:13,159
know the techniques required

2422
01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:15,480
you can't manufacture these things and

2423
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:35,930
just paying the yearly feet of women

2424
01:43:35,940 --> 01:43:39,470
they really uh

2425
01:43:44,450 --> 01:43:42,410
didn't go into much it was they wanted

2426
01:43:47,330 --> 01:43:44,460
to know what we were doing out there and

2427
01:43:48,649 --> 01:43:47,340
they went into well

2428
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:48,659
you know we reviewed this was secret

2429
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:50,880
when we said it was secret you know we

2430
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:52,980
didn't mean bring your friends here and

2431
01:43:56,450 --> 01:43:54,480
you know things along those lines they

2432
01:43:58,010 --> 01:43:56,460
had flown in

2433
01:44:00,050 --> 01:43:58,020
uh

2434
01:44:01,010 --> 01:44:00,060
two of the guards that were on that

2435
01:44:03,169 --> 01:44:01,020
truck

2436
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:03,179
uh that were watching us

2437
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:04,500
and

2438
01:44:09,290 --> 01:44:06,719
it was my impression that they didn't

2439
01:44:10,850 --> 01:44:09,300
know what was behind the mountain what

2440
01:44:12,290 --> 01:44:10,860
we were watching they were just told to

2441
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,300
guard what was going on

2442
01:44:16,129 --> 01:44:14,400
I made it a point of bringing up the uh

2443
01:44:18,770 --> 01:44:16,139
you know flying saucers and things of

2444
01:44:19,970 --> 01:44:18,780
that sort and uh that's when they

2445
01:44:22,970 --> 01:44:19,980
threatened me that's when they mentioned

2446
01:44:26,990 --> 01:44:22,980
the thing about my wife

2447
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:27,000
the way the reactor is operating that uh

2448
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:28,800
yeah you know the pulses that we

2449
01:44:33,950 --> 01:44:32,400
detected out of it were probably uh you

2450
01:44:35,330 --> 01:44:33,960
know instead of a straight DC power

2451
01:44:37,370 --> 01:44:35,340
supply it was a lot more along the lines

2452
01:44:40,090 --> 01:44:37,380
of a pulse as if uh you know we were

2453
01:44:42,530 --> 01:44:40,100
getting bursts of particles coming out

2454
01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:42,540
in any matter of mission and a reaction

2455
01:44:45,709 --> 01:44:44,340
a pulse of energy and that would repeat

2456
01:44:56,090 --> 01:44:45,719
that's around you know seven and a half

2457
01:44:56,100 --> 01:45:01,129
well as they're one of the same

2458
01:45:05,149 --> 01:45:02,990
gravity is

2459
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:05,159
unfortunately the physics physics hasn't

2460
01:45:08,030 --> 01:45:06,719
gotten to that heart yet that the

2461
01:45:10,609 --> 01:45:08,040
gravity essentially is part of the

2462
01:45:11,810 --> 01:45:10,619
electromagnetic spectrum what's that is

2463
01:45:13,310 --> 01:45:11,820
what frequency is

2464
01:45:15,770 --> 01:45:13,320
that's something I'm reserving for

2465
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,780
myself something

2466
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,760
something about the microwave well you

2467
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:19,440
know you can kind of sort of figure it

2468
01:45:26,270 --> 01:45:22,320
out by the dimensions of the uh

2469
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:31,030
you know

2470
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:38,109
now it's not Photon okay

2471
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:40,129
but this is part of the equipment that

2472
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:41,520
I'm working on and you know I want to

2473
01:45:47,149 --> 01:45:43,920
get it operating before uh well we'll

2474
01:45:49,850 --> 01:45:47,159
find out one day absolutely

2475
01:45:52,010 --> 01:45:49,860
did you ever get any idea through any

2476
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:52,020
documentation or anything that this kind

2477
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:54,000
of alien technology is being researched

2478
01:46:02,510 --> 01:45:59,870
you know

2479
01:46:05,149 --> 01:46:02,520
Bob this information at S4 about gravity

2480
01:46:06,109 --> 01:46:05,159
propulsion and so on control Wave

2481
01:46:08,689 --> 01:46:06,119
Control

2482
01:46:10,430 --> 01:46:08,699
what does that do to Endeavors like Kip

2483
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,440
Thorne and Caltech with his ligo wanting

2484
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:13,440
to spend tens of millions or multiplied

2485
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,320
Millions on this light interferometry

2486
01:46:20,330 --> 01:46:18,480
gravity Observatory I mean doesn't it

2487
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,340
rather mothball that

2488
01:46:25,070 --> 01:46:22,080
it does and that's just another reason

2489
01:46:26,810 --> 01:46:25,080
for people not to you know look at this

2490
01:46:28,609 --> 01:46:26,820
from a realistic point of view because

2491
01:46:31,129 --> 01:46:28,619
it really will shoot down a lot of

2492
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,139
research effort like that exactly

2493
01:46:35,390 --> 01:46:33,840
you know it's it shouldn't it shouldn't

2494
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:35,400
it's uh

2495
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:36,960
research like that should go on anyway

2496
01:46:42,669 --> 01:46:39,840
if if or nothing else just to prove that

2497
01:46:45,890 --> 01:46:42,679
it doesn't work you know it's uh

2498
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:45,900
can I ask a follow-up I'm sorry um can

2499
01:46:50,510 --> 01:46:48,480
you speculate as to how you think they

2500
01:46:54,050 --> 01:46:50,520
found us

2501
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,060
well why they came to us I you can you

2502
01:46:59,649 --> 01:46:56,159
can speculate as well as I can I really

2503
01:47:05,870 --> 01:47:02,629
their technology seem to imply that they

2504
01:47:08,090 --> 01:47:05,880
can focus life anywhere else or

2505
01:47:10,609 --> 01:47:08,100
uh it doesn't seem like just randomly

2506
01:47:12,290 --> 01:47:10,619
flying around the block no but if the

2507
01:47:14,810 --> 01:47:12,300
documentation was correct about genetic

2508
01:47:17,649 --> 01:47:14,820
manipulation they didn't have to find us

2509
01:47:30,669 --> 01:47:19,850
you never just happened to Snoop around

2510
01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:34,129
just got back from Russia and uh

2511
01:47:37,010 --> 01:47:35,880
I spoke with him recently and he

2512
01:47:39,169 --> 01:47:37,020
purchased

2513
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:39,179
since apparently the whole country's up

2514
01:47:42,109 --> 01:47:40,560
for sale I guess he purchased from the

2515
01:47:44,209 --> 01:47:42,119
KGB and the Russian government all

2516
01:47:46,570 --> 01:47:44,219
information pertaining to Flying Saucer

2517
01:47:49,609 --> 01:47:46,580
so he's got that information

2518
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:49,619
and I think they're uh his company

2519
01:47:52,970 --> 01:47:51,600
Altamira corporation that financed the

2520
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,980
whole trip in the whole nine yards I

2521
01:47:57,169 --> 01:47:54,239
guess will be releasing that but he's

2522
01:48:01,250 --> 01:47:57,179
got uh all that stuff

2523
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:01,260
just a couple more I'm really beat

2524
01:48:26,689 --> 01:48:24,649
how much according to that EPA monitor a

2525
01:48:29,930 --> 01:48:26,699
quarter of a mile away we're about four

2526
01:48:35,169 --> 01:48:29,940
times the background posts that were

2527
01:48:39,250 --> 01:48:37,430
during the time I found my thermal

2528
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,260
nuclear bomb debt bank it's really the

2529
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:41,760
most of the plutonium though it doesn't

2530
01:48:47,209 --> 01:48:44,400
you know all go into Fusion uh or vision

2531
01:48:49,250 --> 01:48:47,219
for that matter it um

2532
01:48:51,229 --> 01:48:49,260
into fishing no hydrogen goes into

2533
01:48:53,689 --> 01:48:51,239
Fusion is really consumed in the

2534
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,699
Fireball and you know the other Fallout

2535
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:55,440
products the radioactive iodine the

2536
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:57,780
strontium 90 and things like that those

2537
01:49:00,590 --> 01:48:59,340
are all over the place and they're still

2538
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,600
around

2539
01:49:03,950 --> 01:49:02,639
um but you know time has gone by though

2540
01:49:06,169 --> 01:49:03,960
most of them haven't even reached their

2541
01:49:09,050 --> 01:49:06,179
Half-Life yet but they are diluted in a

2542
01:49:10,609 --> 01:49:09,060
large amount of space and uh you know

2543
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,619
it's relatively

2544
01:49:14,290 --> 01:49:12,480
say it's the concentrations aren't that

2545
01:49:17,590 --> 01:49:14,300
high

2546
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:17,600
chased out by the guards

2547
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,639
oh that's no problem you know you die of

2548
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:22,880
something else way before that

2549
01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:25,679
so Bob the cash Landrum saucer they gave

2550
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,780
us off this tremendous radioactive

2551
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,239
radiation and causing these ladies

2552
01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:32,400
irreparable harm how does that fit

2553
01:49:37,129 --> 01:49:34,860
that's obviously not Element 115 gravity

2554
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:37,139
wave no it's not I think that was I'm

2555
01:49:40,490 --> 01:49:38,880
not even convinced that was a you know

2556
01:49:41,390 --> 01:49:40,500
alien craft that might have been a

2557
01:49:43,790 --> 01:49:41,400
government

2558
01:49:47,390 --> 01:49:43,800
attempt at a nuclear powered craft

2559
01:49:49,310 --> 01:49:47,400
incredibly dirty obviously that uh and

2560
01:49:50,930 --> 01:49:49,320
they you know just looking at some of

2561
01:49:52,729 --> 01:49:50,940
the you know medical photographs the

2562
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:52,739
burns and their you know the loss of

2563
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:54,960
hair uh you know it was either Gamma or

2564
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,080
neutral or a neutron radiation and uh

2565
01:50:01,550 --> 01:50:00,239
I don't know what the status is that

2566
01:50:03,410 --> 01:50:01,560
brings up another question our friend

2567
01:50:04,970 --> 01:50:03,420
Jeff who actually saw the saucer up

2568
01:50:07,310 --> 01:50:04,980
close it shot out Adam right at mailbox

2569
01:50:08,930 --> 01:50:07,320
he saw it up close these are we showed

2570
01:50:10,729 --> 01:50:08,940
that earlier by the way anyway he said

2571
01:50:12,410 --> 01:50:10,739
that he got a a sort of a sunburn

2572
01:50:14,450 --> 01:50:12,420
probably from UV it's is it possible

2573
01:50:16,669 --> 01:50:14,460
he's craftive off well maybe burn is

2574
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:16,679
also uh looks like sunburn uh you know

2575
01:50:21,950 --> 01:50:19,920
uh yeah uh beta particles electrons

2576
01:50:23,629 --> 01:50:21,960
looks exactly like summer so this would

2577
01:50:25,970 --> 01:50:23,639
be the radiation from the craft and the

2578
01:50:28,129 --> 01:50:25,980
excess uh yeah but you know he just was

2579
01:50:30,590 --> 01:50:28,139
going for a blood cell test a uh you

2580
01:50:32,209 --> 01:50:30,600
know a high white cell count well

2581
01:50:34,430 --> 01:50:32,219
you know verify that it was radiation

2582
01:50:36,590 --> 01:50:34,440
exposure because you get that you know

2583
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:36,600
reflex

2584
01:50:40,370 --> 01:50:38,760
but I know it isn't your first choice to

2585
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,380
make public comparison like this so I

2586
01:50:44,209 --> 01:50:42,000
just want to tell you in case nobody

2587
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:44,219
else needs a cool enough that we all of

2588
01:50:47,460 --> 01:50:45,600
us really appreciate you coming out

2589
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:47,470
today

2590
01:50:57,119 --> 01:51:00,109
thank you